Calcium and Vitamin D for bone density

Posted by ellerbracke @ellerbracke, Oct 1, 2019

A recent bone density test came back in the low average range for my age. My OBGYN recommended calcium and vitamin D. I checked with a family member who is a pharmacist, and she says that the benefits of calcium supplements are not clear cut. Regarding vitamin D, I’m in the sunbelt, and spend at least 2 hours per day outdoors during 8 to 9 months a year (early morning, or evening, sun screen between 10 AM and 5 PM if applicable for pool, beach, for example). I’m sure many people on this forum have done their own research regarding the benefits of calcium pills, and I would love to hear what the current consensus is. I exercise regularly, so my bones get a workout from the muscles pulling on them, if that makes a difference. I think the data I was given is that statistically I have an 8% chance of a hip fracture in the next decade, based on the test results.

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That should read "My doctors and sheer logic." Sorry.

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I really appreciate your reply. I have osteoporosis and have been walking on my treadmill for up to 30 minutes a day, sometimes in 5 or 10 or 15 minutes at a time. The thought that it might be for naught weighed heavily as walking is my go to for osteoporosis. I began to doubt its efficacy when I read a post that refuted the efficacy of walking. I should stand on my own two feet. : )
Thank you.

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@callalloo

According to my doctors ans sheet logic, of course it is. Your legs are 'bearing' the full weight of your body with every step. Wearing a weighted vest, or carrying something heavy, can recall certain the load on other muscles but, if the person is also walking, the legs are bearing the weight. When I first started reading about osteoporosis, I came upon a study as to why professional cyclists tend to have early-onset, and severe, osteoporosis. The conclusion was that they frequently run a calorie deficit to lower body weight. And they spend training time on cycles. So they don't have body fat, thus also lower estrogen, to help bone health. And their lean frames are insufficient to make walking a good weight-bearing exercise.

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I think your last sentence is the crucial part in determining whether walking is weight bearing or not. Both my endocrinologist and GP told me that at 5’4” and 110 pounds, walking is not —for me—a weight bearing activity. The GP went on to say that if I were significantly heavier, like 170,180 pounds, walking would qualify as weight bearing.

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@egrolman

I think your last sentence is the crucial part in determining whether walking is weight bearing or not. Both my endocrinologist and GP told me that at 5’4” and 110 pounds, walking is not —for me—a weight bearing activity. The GP went on to say that if I were significantly heavier, like 170,180 pounds, walking would qualify as weight bearing.

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Morning all~
Must say, I'm very impressed with how you all are becoming so very involved in your own health care issues and concerns. None of us have had the educations that our 'specialists' have had..but we do have the abilities to now research and share what we find might be helpful to us. Since the majority of us reading and commenting on this thread have bone issues as well as other factors as we age...sharing our knowledge is crucial to be able to take responsible steps towards alemelorating our disparate symptoms and gleaning better results. Must say, I've been at your weight..also being 5'4"....now I've gained some weight back and am up to 124lbs. which feels like a good weight for me. In order to build bone density, we also need to have good muscle strength. Getting an adequate amount of protein a day is crucial for this as well. The research that NASA did on bone density building for their astronauts showed that one has to apply 4.5x one's own body weight in order to 'trigger' the bones to start the process of re-building. Well...that's pretty impossible for most of us to accomplish, must say! This is the theory behind "OsteoStrong's" machines. Weighing 124, I had to be able to 'press' 545lbs!....not possible in the real world..but with their machines I did manage to press pretty close to that amount and hold it for 5 secs. But, with the severe Osteoporosis I do have..this is not a good exercise for me to do. But..walking has many other benefits for the rest of our overall health picture..we're not just our bones. This is where the vibration plate comes in. At the right frequency, with a 'proven' product..the thinking is that this is a good way to stimulate the bones and muscles to react and start to re-build bone density..in time. Nasa is using this new technology now as well as resistance workouts. We would all benefit from a more holistic approach to our bodies..which includes exercise..no matter what kind...eating a more balanced diet, plant based is recommended as well..as long as we keep up the protein intake.. and cutting down our sugar intake, alcohol and no smoking of course. Swimming, bike riding, skating...are great for our cardiovascular systems and feeling good..but not so much for our bones, unfortunately. Rebounding is a good weight bearing tool. If one can tolerate a weighted vest that doesn't cause harm, is also a good idea for us that don't weigh enough, as are weighted ankle wraps. I have all of these..but find that most of them just don't work for me with my other bone issues. This is why I sought out the info on the vibration plate and the research behind it. I feel ever so much better after a 15 minute session on my 'plate'....now..will it make a difference in my bone density? Way to early to tell..but hey, the meds also take a long time to turn our 'ships' around...but with the added problems they can also bring. Don't give up!....we have to keep up our positive energy no matter what we choose to do..moving forward everyday with a positive attitude is key as well for a more balanced and good overall feeling of well being. I wish you all the best..Now..go make it a good day!

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@egrolman

I think your last sentence is the crucial part in determining whether walking is weight bearing or not. Both my endocrinologist and GP told me that at 5’4” and 110 pounds, walking is not —for me—a weight bearing activity. The GP went on to say that if I were significantly heavier, like 170,180 pounds, walking would qualify as weight bearing.

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That makes sense. Also higher weight yields a better FRAXL prediction. Which is weird unless the algorithm assumes that the fatnis making estrogen and thus protecting bone? I was curious to see which variables would change the score so used the online calculator with all inputs accurate but made my age 10 years younger and that change cut my risk of osteoporotic event (I forget the exact wording) by 50% exactly. Which means that the algorithm is automatically assigning a heightened fall risk with age I speculate. Because I kept all other data the same. Then I corrected to my real age but changed by 20 pounds lower and my risk increased by 25%! That's weird and could encourage me to skip the post-lockdown diet and resume eating ice cream and tartes tatin if my cardiologist would accept my logic :-).

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@tsc

Hi @callalloo I studied the Whole Body Vibration Machines on Amazon and bought the Eilison Bolt. It is 11 lbs., a light weight that I can move fairly easily, has a five year warranty and three programs for building bone density (they claim). (With osteoporosis, the directive is don't lift more than 20 lbs.) The Bolt also works on carpet with a yoga mat placed underneath it. I've been doing two 15 minute bone density programs twice a day since August. So far, it's firmed my muscles. I won't be eligible for another Dexa scan for a year, and most studies of whole body vibration machines put participants with low bone density on them for two 15 minute sessions five times a week for a year, so if it does work, it will take time. After I gave up my weighted vest, I made a weighted belt with two one pound ankle weights and one 2.5, but my rheumatologist said that could cause spinal fractures so I gave up pursuing anything along those lines.

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Hi Teri, I'm checking out the various vibration plates so welcome adding the Eilison Bolt to the list. It just 'seems' as if vibration could help stimulate bond health but my science background is deficient so reading others' experience is very helpful. I'm not certain about the weighted vest idea because my orthopedic surgeon gets apoplectic about the weight of womens' tote and handbags and the damage to shoulders and spices therefrom? Add gravity as another downward force to boot so your rheumatologist's caution makes sense, right?

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Hi@callalloo, the weighted vests are probably beneficial to those who do not have osteoporosis. I guess they work differently from just gaining ten pounds!

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@tsc

Hi@callalloo, the weighted vests are probably beneficial to those who do not have osteoporosis. I guess they work differently from just gaining ten pounds!

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Thanks, Teri, that makes sense. I found a website that has a lot of information on osteopenia so am feeling more hopeful about hopefully warding off osteoporosis. The woman is an academic, thus science-oriented, and put it together when dealing with her own bone loss. See what you think.

osteopenia3.com

PS In your photo are you standing near a lovely quilt that you made? It's beautiful!

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@bunky44

Morning all~
Must say, I'm very impressed with how you all are becoming so very involved in your own health care issues and concerns. None of us have had the educations that our 'specialists' have had..but we do have the abilities to now research and share what we find might be helpful to us. Since the majority of us reading and commenting on this thread have bone issues as well as other factors as we age...sharing our knowledge is crucial to be able to take responsible steps towards alemelorating our disparate symptoms and gleaning better results. Must say, I've been at your weight..also being 5'4"....now I've gained some weight back and am up to 124lbs. which feels like a good weight for me. In order to build bone density, we also need to have good muscle strength. Getting an adequate amount of protein a day is crucial for this as well. The research that NASA did on bone density building for their astronauts showed that one has to apply 4.5x one's own body weight in order to 'trigger' the bones to start the process of re-building. Well...that's pretty impossible for most of us to accomplish, must say! This is the theory behind "OsteoStrong's" machines. Weighing 124, I had to be able to 'press' 545lbs!....not possible in the real world..but with their machines I did manage to press pretty close to that amount and hold it for 5 secs. But, with the severe Osteoporosis I do have..this is not a good exercise for me to do. But..walking has many other benefits for the rest of our overall health picture..we're not just our bones. This is where the vibration plate comes in. At the right frequency, with a 'proven' product..the thinking is that this is a good way to stimulate the bones and muscles to react and start to re-build bone density..in time. Nasa is using this new technology now as well as resistance workouts. We would all benefit from a more holistic approach to our bodies..which includes exercise..no matter what kind...eating a more balanced diet, plant based is recommended as well..as long as we keep up the protein intake.. and cutting down our sugar intake, alcohol and no smoking of course. Swimming, bike riding, skating...are great for our cardiovascular systems and feeling good..but not so much for our bones, unfortunately. Rebounding is a good weight bearing tool. If one can tolerate a weighted vest that doesn't cause harm, is also a good idea for us that don't weigh enough, as are weighted ankle wraps. I have all of these..but find that most of them just don't work for me with my other bone issues. This is why I sought out the info on the vibration plate and the research behind it. I feel ever so much better after a 15 minute session on my 'plate'....now..will it make a difference in my bone density? Way to early to tell..but hey, the meds also take a long time to turn our 'ships' around...but with the added problems they can also bring. Don't give up!....we have to keep up our positive energy no matter what we choose to do..moving forward everyday with a positive attitude is key as well for a more balanced and good overall feeling of well being. I wish you all the best..Now..go make it a good day!

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Using a rebounder with safety handle bar could be help develop balance just by walking in place on it a few times a day. It's a soft surface so easy on the spine. But again with a stable satiety bar to hold onto.

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@lebanon100

I really appreciate your reply. I have osteoporosis and have been walking on my treadmill for up to 30 minutes a day, sometimes in 5 or 10 or 15 minutes at a time. The thought that it might be for naught weighed heavily as walking is my go to for osteoporosis. I began to doubt its efficacy when I read a post that refuted the efficacy of walking. I should stand on my own two feet. : )
Thank you.

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Please keep walking. It may or may not help with the osteoporosis but it is very beneficial in other ways.

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