Mystery abdominal pain
I have had persistent upper central abdominal pain for years. I noticed it around age 16 or 17. It has been written off by a number of doctors as anxiety. But I don't think that is the issue. I am now 24 and it has gotten progressively worse.
I have seen a GI specialist and dieticians. I have gastritis, IBS, GERD, and many food sensitivities. My diet is severely restricted and even eating within those restrictions I still have many unresolved IBS symptoms, the most persistent of which is upper abdominal pain which gets worse after I eat and if I wait too long to eat. The pain is aggravated by some foods, particularly high FODMAP foods, sugars, gluten, and dairy.
What helps is liquid antacids, baking soda in water, or alkaline water for reflux, alkaline food and water for bloating, ground flaxseed for diarrhea, slippery elm, and acetaminophen for pain when nothing else works. I use acetaminophen sparingly (once a week or a few times a month) and do not usually use it as normal pain management, just when nothing else works and I can’t think about anything except the pain. Water generally helps, but too much water can also cause pain and painful abdominal bloating. I have tried prochlorperazine and metoclopramide which helped with the nausea and stomach pain but came with some other intolerable side effects and I could not continue taking them. Chewing fennel occasionally helps after meals because it is alkaline.
I am eating no gluten, no dairy, low sugar, low carb, low fat, a lot of vegetables and proteins and certain carbs and fats in moderation. It significantly levels out the bloating, gas, diarrhea, constipation, nausea and pain. However the pain still gets worse after meals and to a lesser degree, also bloating and nausea.
I don’t drink alcohol (aggravates stomach pain a LOT) or coffee, I don’t smoke, no caffeine. I don’t have H pylori or ulcers.
I do eat carbs on a regular basis but I try to keep it within reasonable limits of tolerance. Sometimes the satisfaction outweighs the physical symptoms but I have to pick my battles because eating one bite of the wrong thing can cause hours of pain.
I recently got off the PPI that I was on for 3 years to see if that would help. I eat more alkaline food now to keep acid levels in check otherwise I get reflux and the pain gets worse. Things off the med are not much different, though I do get reflux more often and the pain may be a bit worse. Maybe I’m just noticing it more. I don’t think long term PPI use is a good solution and I would rather not be on it. I have a feeling while I may have irritation due to IBS or acidity which can cause pain, that is not the only pain going on.
I’ve tried Iberogast, IBgard, ginger root, chamomile, Swedish bitters, turmeric, mint tea, peppermint capsules and they all irritate my stomach and make the pain worse. I’ve also tried antidepressants and other psychotropics but they all came with nightmare grade side effects so i didn’t take them long. Sucralfate made me extremely and painfully bloated. My diet is extremely restricted as it is and having eliminated just about everything I can, I don’t think it actually has to do much with what I am eating as much as that I am eating at all.
One day a meal may be less aggravating. The next day with the same meal I’ll have pain for hours, reflux, and bloating. My ability to tolerate food comes in cycles. Some days I can tolerate some foods, other days for whatever reason, I can’t. I have to cycle out foods for variety and symptom management but generally have some core foods, mostly proteins and veg that I generally tolerate well. But even when I stick to the absolute least irritating foods, I still often have symptoms.
I’ve had an abdominal ultrasound, gastric emptying study, endoscopy, and colonoscopy. Nothing significant there. I get labs drawn about every 6 months from my GP. CMP14 (Routine or Stat), a couple out of range but nothing requiring a workup and everything else within normal limits, hemoglobin A1c with eAg/MBG estimation, vitamin D; 25 hydroxy, testosterone, free (direct) and total, magnesium serum, phosphorus serum, prealbumin, and TSH all within normal limits.
Here is a summary from my last GI appointment “Patient's symptoms have plateaued at this point. Our work-up to include thus far has been normal gastric emptying study, normal thyroid labs, negative celiac serologies, normal fecal calprotectin, unremarkable colonoscopy and endoscopy, I recommend patient continue seeing his dietitian and to follow-up with us as needed.”
I also have upper back (between shoulder blades) and neck pain but I’m not sure if it’s related. I mostly notice the back and neck pain when I’m sitting so I assumed it was postural but I don’t know. I also have constant low grade nausea that is aggravated at the same time as the abdominal pain–because of food or a lack of food. Also extreme abdominal tenderness. Any amount of pressure is painful. Has been for about 3 years now. That's when I went to the ER for the stomach pain, got the abdominal ultrasound but found nothing, a referral to GI specialist, endoscopy found benign gastritis, and started the PPI which I have since stopped. I can't lay on my stomach because of the pain. And within the past month or so I can't even lay on my side when I sleep because that has become uncomfortable as well. My ribcage squishes into my painful upper abdomen if I lay too far sideways. It's the same on either side.
The pain has become a quality of life issue and impacts other areas of my life.
I am going to see another GI specialist to get a second opinion and have an appointment in a couple of weeks. But until then, what do you think this could be?
I’m also new to the forum so I’m not exactly sure how this goes. Does anybody have any recommendations or a story similar to this? I have an idea that it might be pancreas or gallbladder related or both but nobody can seem to find a cause.
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@astaingegerdm - is the Doppler ultrasound different from a regular ultrasound?
Yes, this is a different type of ultrasound that looks at blood flow in arteries or veins (to diagnose MALS or other vascular disorders). Usually the ones I've had have been called a Mesenteric Artery Duplex Ultrasound. They are typically only done in 1 or 2 hospitals in major cities because the technician needs special training to know how to do them.
Yes- it is an ultrasound used to examine arterial blood flow- frequently done on lower extremities.
However, as @jhmontrose pointed out, for the abdominal arterial blood flow the technician has to be trained to perform these.
In my experience from work up for my own difficult to diagnose abdominal pain Doppler ultrasound was abnormal and the findings confirmed with CT angiogram.
My docs don’t seem concerned about the hepatomegaly or steatosis because they are mild and there is no inflammation or anything else that would indicate fatty liver disease or anything like that and I trust them. I went to my GI appointment and since I have tried so many things she didn’t have much to offer me except a 24 hr pH study to see how much of the pain is reflux related which I would need a more recent upper endoscopy to do. I haven’t done them yet for financial reasons but I will consider them. We concluded that the stomach pain that is not explained by the gastritis, IBS, and GERD is from functional abdominal pain. She referred me to a doc at another GI clinic who specializes in functional disorders. My appointment with her is in about a month. In the meantime I’m working to improve my stress management and doing gentle abdominal massage every morning and night. It helps with the pain and is very effective for reducing constipation and diarrhea. It’s not a cure but it’s remarkably effective and the pain is worse when I forget to do it. Plus it just feels nice. Because I know the issue is functional rather than anatomical I feel okay about gentle pressure especially considering the CT scan said there was no inflammation. I’m also in school for massage therapy which has greatly helped me feel more comfortable in my body and using massage as a form of healing and stress relief.
Also as a little update I can now lay on my side virtually pain-free!
When I take Cymbalta my stomach pain is almost gone . However .. the side effects are horrible. Brain fog, bad headaches, pressure in head , just feeling out of it.
Anyone take anything that doesn’t make you feel that way. ????
Any helpful suggestions greatly appreciate arts!!!
Welcome back, John!
The only thing that takes the edge of my abdominal pain is Dicyclomine, an antispasmodic. Sleep helps too, it doesn’t hurt when I’m asleep.
Let’s hope other members have some good ideas!
Hi @johnbluffside. I noticed that you had shared a bit about your abdominal pain in this previous discussion so to continue sharing your experience, I have moved your recent post on IBS abdominal pain back here so you can reconnect with @lookingforanswers2022.
How long have you been taking Cymbalta and did you just recently start experiencing these effects?
10 mg Cymbalta about a week now
Makes me feel so out of it, brain fog, just total body numb ..I have been taking in the am wondering if bedtime might help to take instead
Pain is gone but don’t like the side effects
Wondering about imipramine instead ?
I have been working with a registered dietician and she said the headaches, body aches, pain and feeling horrible are all signs of salicylites in my diet
Last 2 weeks no vinegar, pork, chocolate, citrus, red sauce , peanut butter eating food I cook with a day hard to tell if any difference
I’m so sorry you are going through this, it sounds a lot like what I have been through fir the last 35 years.
Have they tested you for for pancreatic insufficiency? If not, might want to read up on it. I was misdiagnosed until last year. I am on enzyme replacement therapy and it has made a huge difference.
I hope this helps I some way with your journey to health. I rooting for you! Never give up!