Answers about Controversial Trends in Spine Care

I found an excellent link where a group of spine surgeons answered questions about controversial trends.
https://www.beckersspine.com/biologics/item/50488-stem-cells-in-spine-orthopedics-6-notes-for-surgeons.html

This is a good resource for patients to understand issues if they run into a medical opinion about a procedure that could be unusual or risky. This also gives the patient a basis to ask questions of their medical providers and gauge the answers they get against current accepted medical thinking and of course keeping in mind that every patient case is different. By understanding some of the "solutions" being offered, the patient can ask more detailed investigative questions before they consent to a procedure. It is too easy to be a patient who just says yes without understanding possible risks or consequences as well as financial burdens of treatments that may not be effective.

The surgeons expressed opinions about marketing of new technologies as a solution looking for a problem to solve, rather than focusing on the patient's needs and what is best; in other words, letting marketing of hardware and implants influence choices in surgeries, or when a procedure carries risks because the providers are not spine surgeons, or the surgical procedure can be compromised because a minimally invasive procedure doesn't allow enough access to completely fix the problem. Should artificial disc replacements be used next to or combined with fusions? While stem cells are being studied for spine repairs, at this time, stem cell studies have not come far enough for treatment to be able to just inject a damaged spinal disc and expect a miracle.

These are some of the topics they covered. As a patient, always ask questions about benefits and risks of surgical procedures. Get multiple opinions if you can before a decision about major surgery, and you may find different procedures offered. Some surgeries can make a patient worse, so do your best to understand how and why a procedure can help, and why and what happens if it fails, and their success rates specifically for the provider you are choosing in relation to your health status. These are the topics surgeons talk about at conferences where spine surgery leaders present their cases and discuss the results. They also present cases where they have to try to fix something that wasn't done well in a prior surgery. Knowing this kind of information may help a patient recognize when they have found a good surgeon in whom they can place their trust. I was an advocate for myself for cervical spine surgery and looked for information like this to help inform my decision.

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@colleenyoung

Thank you, Jennifer, for your diligence on copyright.

@cbove2, I appreciate your posting the article that you found. I have inserted the link to the article, which you had cited by title and author as per the community guidelines on Mayo Clinic Connect. Thank you. Now the post also complies with the wishes or the source author.

CBowe, I love that you remain the optimist, pragmatist, who is data-driven and that you continue to research what might work for you. As Jennifer says, there isn't one procedure that works for everyone. What treatments seems to be the most promising for you?

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Thank you so much for correcting my post to include source info - I will remember to do this in the future. As for me, spinal surgical procedures all have a degree of risk based on each individual. I will continue to manage both my lumbar and cervical disk issues with PT as long as possible if there is no progression in symptoms. At 75 years I have already experienced longer recoveries than 30 years ago and want to optimize my timing. In addition, there are ongoing improvements in surgical instruments and device materials/biomaterials. The next generation will probably get stem cell repairs and avoid much of this 😉

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@cbove2

Thank you so much for correcting my post to include source info - I will remember to do this in the future. As for me, spinal surgical procedures all have a degree of risk based on each individual. I will continue to manage both my lumbar and cervical disk issues with PT as long as possible if there is no progression in symptoms. At 75 years I have already experienced longer recoveries than 30 years ago and want to optimize my timing. In addition, there are ongoing improvements in surgical instruments and device materials/biomaterials. The next generation will probably get stem cell repairs and avoid much of this 😉

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@cbove2 Celeste, Thank you for your recent message to me, and I would like to respond here so that others may benefit from the conversation. I am not a medical professional, but I am a spine surgery patient, and my mom has had some spine issues.

You had asked about new advances in spine care and how a patient would know if a surgeon is using the latest advances?

The answer is simply to ask when you are at spine surgery consult as a patient. I too am interested in the advances in spine care, but often the advances are trying to solve a specific problem, and it doesn't apply to all patients. If a new device is out on the market looking for how many patients it can attract, that raises a bit of a red flag. Good spine care and surgery is about doing what is the best for the patient while taking into consideration risks vs benefits in relation to their other health issues and age that could affect the success of the procedure. Surgeons don't want to make a patient worse. Sometimes problems become apparent later down the road after a new device has been in use in patients for several years.

Surgeons also have specific devices and hardware that they have been trained on and prefer to use in practice. They can't just jump into using a new implant without having been trained in its proper use or evaluating if they think it is right for their practice. They may already have another way to solve a similar problem. There are cost considerations too, and sometimes insurance companies make decisions about what they will or will not cover. Insurance companies have an extensive review of a proposed surgery and can hold out until the last day on giving approval. Sometimes at the last minute, insurance will not approve a surgery, and the procedure is cancelled.. There are different device manufacturers attending spine conferences for surgeons teaching about their products and surgeons will be making presentations about their cases and results. They can get into the details about the pros and cons of a device they have experience with, basically taking "shop" with other surgeons.

Always respect a surgeon's opinion. If a patient comes in asking for some new procedure they heard about and wants this because it is new, they are telling the surgeon how to do his job, and that likely will NOT be well received. If the surgeon has information available on his website about his procedures with a specific device, then it would be acceptable to discuss this if the surgeon is willing to consider it. They have a lot of years of education with med school and specialty training after that and you have to respect it. The patient can't tell the surgeon how to operate. Patients can and should get opinions from different surgeons and choose what they think is the best fit. A surgeon is not obligated to operate. They can back out for a number of reasons, and if they don't have confidence in the success of a procedure, they will decline. They don't want to fail. Be the best respectful patient that you can be. Sometimes the older tried and true methods are a better choice.

These are the links you shared.

Rhode Island man invents 1st biologic spine fracture implant

https://www.beckersspine.com/biologics/item/53722-rhode-island-man-invents-1st-biologic-spine-fracture-implant.html?origin=SpineE&utm_source=SpineE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=8964C3039334A2C

This situation is specific to a person with a spinal fracture and common practice is to use bone cement to glue pieces of the vertebrae back together. My mom was considered for this bone cement procedure because of a compression fracture in her spine. This story represents an alternative for an elderly person with an implant made from human bone that can be used instead.

Smallest posterior spinal fixation implant gets FDA approval

https://www.beckersspine.com/spinal-tech/item/53753-smallest-posterior-spinal-fixation-implant-gets-fda-approval.html?origin=SpineE&utm_source=SpineE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=8964C3039334A2C

This does sound interesting, and there isn't enough information in this news blurb to know what situations this would be used for. Hardware and spinal fixation plates do take up space and I didn't want them when I went through a cervical spinal fusion. I avoided hardware all together by just having a bone spacer and I elected to stay in a hard collar until it began to fuse which was at 3 months. It was set enough at that time to remove the hard collar and do rehab. This will be something that will be talked about at spine conferences.

Dr. Sebastian Koga debuts bone density-matched spine implant

https://www.beckersspine.com/spinal-tech/item/53764-dr-sebastian-koga-debuts-bone-density-matched-spine-implant.html?utm_campaign=spine&utm_source=website&utm_content=latestarticles

This refers to matching bone density for an older patient who has lost bone mass. For example, my mom who has osteoporosis. Her osteoporosis is severe, and it caused a spinal compression fracture. That disqualified her from a procedure with bone cement to glue the pieces back together. I presume that the bone pieces were more fragile than the bone cement itself, and the best thing was to let the spine repair itself, and begin new treatments for her osteoporosis. There are a lot of grades of bone thinning. She would not have had enough bone quality to place screws into the spine either for standard spine surgery procedures. Bone quality is very important to consider for any spine procedure.

So as you can see, there is no one size fits all new and improved spine procedure device, and that decision as to what is best is to be made by the specialists in the field. We can talk about it here, but we don't get to vote. If you are considering a spine procedure, don't allow the new bells and whistles to distract you from making a good choice in your care with a trusted surgeon. You are making a decision that likely you cannot reverse. That is key to find a surgeon who you can trust with your life, because when you get on an operating table, you are doing just that.

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@jenniferhunter

@cbove2 Celeste, Thank you for your recent message to me, and I would like to respond here so that others may benefit from the conversation. I am not a medical professional, but I am a spine surgery patient, and my mom has had some spine issues.

You had asked about new advances in spine care and how a patient would know if a surgeon is using the latest advances?

The answer is simply to ask when you are at spine surgery consult as a patient. I too am interested in the advances in spine care, but often the advances are trying to solve a specific problem, and it doesn't apply to all patients. If a new device is out on the market looking for how many patients it can attract, that raises a bit of a red flag. Good spine care and surgery is about doing what is the best for the patient while taking into consideration risks vs benefits in relation to their other health issues and age that could affect the success of the procedure. Surgeons don't want to make a patient worse. Sometimes problems become apparent later down the road after a new device has been in use in patients for several years.

Surgeons also have specific devices and hardware that they have been trained on and prefer to use in practice. They can't just jump into using a new implant without having been trained in its proper use or evaluating if they think it is right for their practice. They may already have another way to solve a similar problem. There are cost considerations too, and sometimes insurance companies make decisions about what they will or will not cover. Insurance companies have an extensive review of a proposed surgery and can hold out until the last day on giving approval. Sometimes at the last minute, insurance will not approve a surgery, and the procedure is cancelled.. There are different device manufacturers attending spine conferences for surgeons teaching about their products and surgeons will be making presentations about their cases and results. They can get into the details about the pros and cons of a device they have experience with, basically taking "shop" with other surgeons.

Always respect a surgeon's opinion. If a patient comes in asking for some new procedure they heard about and wants this because it is new, they are telling the surgeon how to do his job, and that likely will NOT be well received. If the surgeon has information available on his website about his procedures with a specific device, then it would be acceptable to discuss this if the surgeon is willing to consider it. They have a lot of years of education with med school and specialty training after that and you have to respect it. The patient can't tell the surgeon how to operate. Patients can and should get opinions from different surgeons and choose what they think is the best fit. A surgeon is not obligated to operate. They can back out for a number of reasons, and if they don't have confidence in the success of a procedure, they will decline. They don't want to fail. Be the best respectful patient that you can be. Sometimes the older tried and true methods are a better choice.

These are the links you shared.

Rhode Island man invents 1st biologic spine fracture implant

https://www.beckersspine.com/biologics/item/53722-rhode-island-man-invents-1st-biologic-spine-fracture-implant.html?origin=SpineE&utm_source=SpineE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=8964C3039334A2C

This situation is specific to a person with a spinal fracture and common practice is to use bone cement to glue pieces of the vertebrae back together. My mom was considered for this bone cement procedure because of a compression fracture in her spine. This story represents an alternative for an elderly person with an implant made from human bone that can be used instead.

Smallest posterior spinal fixation implant gets FDA approval

https://www.beckersspine.com/spinal-tech/item/53753-smallest-posterior-spinal-fixation-implant-gets-fda-approval.html?origin=SpineE&utm_source=SpineE&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&oly_enc_id=8964C3039334A2C

This does sound interesting, and there isn't enough information in this news blurb to know what situations this would be used for. Hardware and spinal fixation plates do take up space and I didn't want them when I went through a cervical spinal fusion. I avoided hardware all together by just having a bone spacer and I elected to stay in a hard collar until it began to fuse which was at 3 months. It was set enough at that time to remove the hard collar and do rehab. This will be something that will be talked about at spine conferences.

Dr. Sebastian Koga debuts bone density-matched spine implant

https://www.beckersspine.com/spinal-tech/item/53764-dr-sebastian-koga-debuts-bone-density-matched-spine-implant.html?utm_campaign=spine&utm_source=website&utm_content=latestarticles

This refers to matching bone density for an older patient who has lost bone mass. For example, my mom who has osteoporosis. Her osteoporosis is severe, and it caused a spinal compression fracture. That disqualified her from a procedure with bone cement to glue the pieces back together. I presume that the bone pieces were more fragile than the bone cement itself, and the best thing was to let the spine repair itself, and begin new treatments for her osteoporosis. There are a lot of grades of bone thinning. She would not have had enough bone quality to place screws into the spine either for standard spine surgery procedures. Bone quality is very important to consider for any spine procedure.

So as you can see, there is no one size fits all new and improved spine procedure device, and that decision as to what is best is to be made by the specialists in the field. We can talk about it here, but we don't get to vote. If you are considering a spine procedure, don't allow the new bells and whistles to distract you from making a good choice in your care with a trusted surgeon. You are making a decision that likely you cannot reverse. That is key to find a surgeon who you can trust with your life, because when you get on an operating table, you are doing just that.

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Thanks for your comprehensive response. I agree that 'one size does not fit all' and patients may get opinions from different surgeons and choose what they think is the best fit.
As one doctor told my husband about internet medicine - just because you can read a book on how to play a piano doesn't make you a pianist.
Regards - Celeste

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@stpchair

Hi, Jennifer! No, I don't think it was my age. The NYP surgeon should have used a better excuse (or a better messenger) than he only operates on spinal deformities! I've talked to a couple of surgeons so far and neither hesitated because of my age. I have no osteoporosis (except for one hip) and I passed the cardio tests and pulmonary function tests just fine for an 8-hour surgery. One surgeon also said he'd just operated on a 90-year-old. So, i don't think age was the disqualifier. I think he's looking for little kids in 3rd world countries that will get him publicity. Or maybe that will get publicity for the hospital. If that's what he's about, I can't change that. Yes, I'm still looking and waiting to hear from a prominent doc at Hospital for Special Surgery in NYC. It's just that it's so far away and I have to do this ALONE! Strange you would mention an article about Sleep Number Beds. I just got off the internet from looking at the Temper-Pedic Luxe Breeze mattresses. It's a real investment at $5k+!! Sleep Number just worries me about the mechanical aspects of it. Anyway, surgery first! I really, really need to talk to post-op patients to find out what life will be like after the surgery and to find out how a person who lives alone can manage! I was in senior living for 30 years as a sales director and I do not want to have to move into assisted living for the rest of my life. I'm hoping I will be able to function independently enough to continue to live alone--even if it's in independent living in a senior living community. Not what I imagined retirement would be like, for sure. I worked 50 years! For this? Yikes. My neurologist was in favor of my waiting and not doing anything aggressive (i.e., surgery) for years because I think he felt it may never reach the point of being necessary. Now I'm not sure waiting was the best thing. I could have probably had the minimally-invasive procedure if I'd done it years ago. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. as they say. I didn't even know that alternative existed. I will check out your articles and thank you very much for caring and sharing this information.

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In my experience with my parents, when they needed more care than we could provide after surgery because I was working at the time, they were put in a temporary rehabilitation until they could function independently. A social worker would assess the situation so don’t feel like you are completely alone. I live near NYC and my Dad had his hip replaced in HSS so I know They will provide this service for you and it’s covered by insurance.

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Excellent advise.
Becker is a good resource.
You can find great info at NIH and PubMed as well.

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