I have looked at using Kratom as well. I have found most of the conventional methods are not working. I can't even begin to tell you how many drugs that I've been on over the years. Now have post Covid issues and I'm feeling unheard in my pain issues. Ever since the opiate crisis, pain patients are left in the cold. I wonder if in there statistics, they have actual pain patients that have committed suicide. Contact me and let me know where you buy from and how well it has worked for pain.