@mzrose75 it sounds like you are doing the right things. A complex case takes time to solve. I am a complex case too because of having a spine condition and thoracic outlet syndrome that also causes a nerve and vascular compression with overlapping symptoms. That is something that doctors missed for years. When I got to diagnosing the spine condition, my symptoms were not what the surgeons were expecting, so 5 of them passed on helping me. I wasted 2 years jumping through their hoops. One of the problems is that with surgeons in private practice for profit, the success of their career earnings depends on their ratings of successful procedures. Insurance companies rate them and patients may write bad reviews online if their expectations are not met. It is easier to cherry pick your cases and pass on the harder ones so you have higher numbers in your statistics. Thankfully I found a surgeon who wasn't worried about helping me. Has anyone looked for reasons why you have degenerated discs at an earlier age? It is a normal part of aging and injuries add to it. Those would be questions to ask about like is their a reason your connective tissue may be weaker that the average person?