@windwalker ...Terri, I so hope it helps for you...sorry to hear of your current issues. I recently got a great thought from Heather...she was wondering if breathing our saline deeper into the lungs would get to her issues in her lower lobes. I tried deep belly breathing and holding it in for a count of ten. What a difference in getting up gunk. After a month of that...It now seems that there is nothing left to get up. If you try it, I would be curious to see if it helps. I love this site and the thoughts and suggestions that are raised here. Hugs and my best to you. Kate