@baq315a Why don't you want surgery. I had a nine hour surgery at Mayo #1 hospital in Rochester, MN. but they have two others. I had degeneration of my spine which cause a scoliosis and I had stenosis in my L4 and L5. It's a long recovery, but I had I on June 9th and I'm off of all pain pills. He had to go from T10 to my pelvis. My surgeon did not recommend any implanted pain like BSX wave writer, because it could cause to get infection. So I went for a year with my pain getting worse until the surgery. But my surgeon was great and was a Professor In spinal surgery plus other qalifications. Just a thought for you. I know it's scary, I wasn't scared I wanted my pain taken care of, I had my surgery on June 9th and I am all ready off of all my pain pills for 2 weeks. It was a big surgery and takes time to heal, I wear a brace and can't bend, Twist or lift anything over 10 pounds. I hope I didn't scare you, but most of my pain is gone. Best wishes to you and hope you get better without surgery, but that may be the only answer. I'm not a doctor.