Well it's not cheap but you can by a small quantity from the Ethanaturals site for around $20 or less that will be enough to tell you whether it will help you or not. Can't remember which ones we bought (based on Lori Renee's recommendation) but @lorirenee1 can surely steer you to it. Best, Hank

@resawaller @jesfactsmon @rwinney Resa, here is more about Kratom. Rachel and Hank, I am thinking maybe you guys could use a refresher? I literally do not know what I would do without Kratom. Only buy it from ethanaturals.com It is approved by the American Kratom Society, and you know you are getting the real deal. Buy it in pill form. You do not want the powder. It is vile tasting, and very hard to take. Buy any of the pills that say that they are for body relief, pain. In theory, you are supposed to rotate the use of different kinds of the pills, so I would choose 3 types, and rotate them. Personally, I would buy 3 bags of the pills, each with the net weight of .30 grams. This supplies you enough pills to really give them a solid try. I take 9 pills at a time, usually 2-3x a day, depending on pain level. This may sound like a lot, but 8 pills weigh approximately 2.5 grams. (one average size paperclip weighs about a gram.) So, what I am taking is just a moderate amount. The trick is to take the LEAST amount, to get the desired effect. I had to experiment with how much to take. I am 5 feet 4 inches, and weigh 160 pounds. (Chunka, chunka!) So for my height and body weight, this seems to work for me. DO NOT TAKE KRATOM EVERY DAY. In theory, it can create addiction, but I have never experienced this at all. I do take it with my other meds for blood pressure, cholesterol, a cancer drug. No problem with side effects. Also, ethanaturals.com has 30% off sales all the time. Maybe register with them, so you get emails of when their stuff is on sale. I do wait for sales, because the stuff is not cheap. Anyway, best of luck with this miracle plant. Love and help with pain, Lori