@artscaping Thanks for the link, lots of good advice there. For me I think it was more that I thought everything was okay and thus slacked off on RICE. I did add walking to my usual exercises (recumbent bike, weights, stretches) and they also may have tipped me over the edge. I'm not really "admitting" anything - I am happy to post the good and the bad, so as to have a true record. I have no desire to make things seem better than they are. Thank again.