Calcium and Vitamin D for bone density

@parrotqueen google The Freedom Trial (comes up when you do a search for long term safety of prolia). Involved over 2300 women, average age 72, over more than 6 years. At this point, still think the benefits outweigh the risks, (risks of fracture). Loss of independence and a wheelchair lifestyle scares me more.

Thank you.

@parrotqueen I like all your post and doing the research as you do is great . I wont take any of the bone meds either . My girlfriend was on Fosamex and she had trouble with her jaw . I stick to my calcium Vit D3 Vit K and all the minerals plus exersis

I think we are doing the right thing. I have to find a way to get collagen in me! I don't drink anything but water and I hate it in water. Maybe I could put it into bone broth and force that done. I'm having a DEXA scan in the spring and I want it to show improvement so bad!

I found this post on the osteoporosis natural remedy support group on Facebook. I think the man's name is Craig Stelpflug. I know the websites he mentions will likely not make it past the censors - but there is a LOT of good information in here. Be sure you get vitamin K2 (MK4 and MK7) if you take it. I think Vitamins K2 and D3 are key! I hope you can get help reading this message.
A bone to pick:
My mother, who is not even 80 yet, recently suffered a bone break. Her femur absolutely snapped in half! You’d think a break like this might happen in a fall from a trampoline, car crash, slip in the shower, playing soccer with the great-grands or some other dramatic happening. Nope! She was getting up from the dining table and her bone snapped—just like that… Surgery, rods, screws, meds and rehab followed. Then they discovered her other leg bone was threatening to do the same thing. More surgery, rods, screws, meds and rehab are now in the works. Why? Not everyone who grows old has this problem, yet my mom did.
Cows have strong bones, so why don’t we?
Have you ever heard of a cow needing a bone-building drug? Just how do cows maintain such strong bones? From eating lots of plants of course! Calcium-rich cow’s milk is just right for a growing a baby calf, but before the calf is grown it is weaned from milk and moves on to eating grass. I have to ask you if milk and drugs are required for us humans to maintain bones? The fact is that American women consume two pounds of milk and dairy products per day on average and yet according to the National Osteoporosis Foundation, 10 million Americans have osteoporosis, 80% of those are women, and one out of two women over age 50 will break a bone because of osteoporosis. I don’t think it is a lack of dairy and drugs causing this problem.

Bone thieves!
I have been a nutritionist for 2-1/2 decades and this I know: Milk and dairy products in excess acidify the body and actually accelerate bone loss by pulling calcium out of the bones to neutralize acids. Furthermore, bone drugs may appear to densify bones but in actuality are just causing bone brittleness, more bone fractures and even bone and other cancers.
Here are some more causes for weak bones:
• Soda pops pull phosphorus out of bones while also acidifying the body.
• Pharmaceutical and OTR drugs acidify our bodies.
• Antacids prevent us from utilizing dietary calcium and acidify the body.
• In pasteurized milk over 50% of available calcium cannot be absorbed.

Bone meds.
Quantity is not quality! You can have the densest bones in the county and then they snap like dry twigs if there is no bone quality. Aside from acidifying the body, bone meds may improve bone density, but not bone quality. Long-term use of bone meds like Actonel, Boniva, Fosamax and Reclast are now linked to femur fractures after four years. The drug Infuse for bone growth causes cancer risk (including pancreatic cancer) to escalate by more than 250% in year one of use and 500% by year three.

With all the “cutting edge” osteo meds out there, osteoporosis numbers should be plummeting- -instead they are rising…

Fixing the bone:
It is our diet and lifestyle that has weakened the core structure of our bodies. There are many things that are critical to bone health—and drugs are not one of them.
• In order to have and maintain healthy bones we need plenty of good water, seeds, nuts, leafy greens, beans, fruits and veggies in our diets.
• Healthy bones require weight-bearing exercise.
• The mineral zinc has been shown to increase osteoblastic bone-building activity, helping the body manufacture bone while inhibiting the osteoclastic tearing-down process. ¡¡Make sure that the zinc you take by mouth is not zinc oxide!!
• Vitamin K works to prevent calcium deposits in arterial walls and helps the body use calcium for bone health. ¡¡Vitamin K also works with fat-soluble nutrients to protect the brain from arterial calcification that leads to strokes and cognitive decline!!
• Magnesium teams up with vitamins B6, D and K to regulate the absorption of calcium into bone. Without magnesium and its helpers, calcium will not be absorbed into the bones. (I only recommend magnesium supplements ending in "chelate" "citrate", "glycinate" and other "ate's". NEVER take magnesium chloride or oxide internally...)
• Taking olive leaf extract lowers the risk of developing osteoporosis by supporting bone strength and balancing inflammatory responses.
• Taking probiotics improves healthy bone density as probiotic microorganisms help balance the immune system to reduce bowel inflammation, alkalize the digestive tract and stem age-related flow of bone loss.
• Bone health is contingent upon receiving plenty of raw sunshine and Vitamin D studies show that this supports hip joint strength and integrity in elderly women by 69% while also improving muscle strength.

Did I forget to mention taking calcium?
Uh, no I didn't forget because I don't often recommend it! If you "need" a calcium supplement then your diet and digestion sucks. Besides, excessive calcium taken by supplements actually reduces bone density and acidifies the body. The Institute of Medicine dietary RDA for calcium from a combination of diet plus supplements is 1200 mg a day for women 50 years of age and up. Even on a Standard American Diet (SAD), women get 700 mg a day or more of calcium from dietary sources, therefore women stuck on the SAD diet only require an additional 500 mg a day from calcium supplements.

Did you know that supplemental calcium oxide and chloride react with stomach acid to make a noxious gas? IF you take a calcium supplement on a SAD diet then only take calcium supplements ending in "ate", like calcium chelate or citrate—NEVER oxide or chloride.

The bare-bone fact:
Bottom line, it is your health and your bones and using just a little common sense goes a long ways. If you are concerned about your bone health, avoid the pharmaceutical solutions that aren’t working and do the natural thing.

More info:
http://realhealthtalk.com/Bone_Health_and_Bone_Scans.html
http://realhealthtalk.com/Correcting_the_pH_Balance.html
#osteoperosis #bone #diet #nutrition

I found the Freedom Trial - but it was hard to get to it for all the reviews of the Freedom Trial - EVERY review is saying DO NOT the Prolia or any bisphosphonate drug. They are very destructive for your body. You must do what you think is best, but Amgen has made a nasty product that I will not take. The best way to rebuild bone is by taking vitamins D3 and K2 (MK4 and MK7) and a good magnesium (not an oxide-based magnesium). The Freedom Trial did not have very good success rates - I think I read three women out of the entire trial appeared to have more bone. The problem with those drugs is that the minute you stop taking them - and you DO have to stop at some point - all of the "new bone" disappears and fractures follow. You are in worse shape than if you did nothing. And the risks of osteonecrosis, cancer, etc. is just too great. I talked to two women by phone who no longer have their jaws thanks to that drug. I can't takes those risks.

Here is a quote from someone who studied the Freedom Trial of Prolia. I felt double rage that they gave Prolia to monkeys. This quote doesn't address the issue that occurs after you stop Prolia - which is a loss of all new bone and subsequent fracturing that is worse than what the person had before using Prolia. Doctors are pushing Prolia because there is no money to be made from doing the right thing with vitamins and minerals. I went to an endocrinologist who walked out of the exam room because she was so mad I wouldn't take Prolia. She had nothing else to offer me. My infectious disease doctor told me on Tuesday of this week that what I had discovered about Prolia is the truth. Here are just SOME of the problems with Prolia.
According to an article published on the University of Southern California’s Center for Health Journalism’s blog, monkeys used in Prolia clinical trials developed tooth and jaw abscesses. Two of the monkeys died of protozoal infections. Meanwhile, human test subjects developed cervical, ovarian, pancreatic, gastric, thyroid, and breast cancers. Indeed, the development of these cancers was reported as the “most common adverse event that led to discontinuation” during the trials.
During Prolia trials, 10 people had to be hospitalized due to the skin infection cellulitis . One of these persons died. Yet, in 2010, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved Prolia for use in fracture prevention in women with osteoporosis. In fact, the approval came two months earlier than expected.

I hope that the people who have decided to use Prolia will continue to post here. I hope you will not be the person who has a side effect from the first shot - I heard from a woman today that it has been six months and she still cannot walk thanks to Prolia. I don't want that outcome for any one of you. So keep posting about Prolia - tell us about your success and tell us how you are after you go off Prolia - post every six months, please.

Hi @parrotqueen, I will post as one of those people who was helped by taking denosumab (Prolia), or rather has helped my mother. She has taken Prolia for over 3 years and it helped return her mobility and reduced pain that was causing her to lose her quality of life. She has not suffered any of the side effects mentioned. It is important to remember that people who do not experience side effects may not be as motivated to post on forums and facebook groups.

Here is further information about denosumab (Prolia) from Mayo Clinic. https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/denosumab-subcutaneous-route/description/drg-20074315 which includes:
- Proper Use
- Precautions
- Side Effects
"It is important that your doctor check your progress at regular visits to make sure this medicine is working properly. Blood tests may be needed to check for unwanted effects."

@parrotqueen . As mentioned earlier, I have had 3 injections, no osteonecrosis (yet:))Taking the plunge on Monday to get #4. My 74 year old energizer bunny friend who is still teaching in a primary school and is way more active than me at 65 has been on Prolia for 5 years. No fractures. That fear of a hip fracture and loss of independence and a wheelchair/caregiver lifestyle terrifies me more than the Prolia side effects.