@lororenee1 The Spenco shoes were delivered yesterday. I ordered the same size that I wear in Birks. The shoes are nice looking but they are too tight on my feet and the foot bed is too hard. They are tighter and harder on my feet than my Birks. I don't know if I'll ever be able to wear anything but Birks since I've worn them for so long. I'll be sending the Spencos back. I am really gun shy for trying any shoes. Nothing works with my painful feet. Thanks for recommending this brand, but I can tell even a larger size won't work. I think I'll just have to have painful feet and accept the fact that they are going to hurt. I don't know what else to try. But I may just stop looking---too much time. I need to get to a store so that I could try on without having to order and wait and then have them not work.
I appreciate you taking the time to recommend; I wish they had been just what I needed.
Carol