Shingrix and peripheral neuropathy

Posted by joannerhodes @joannerhodes, Feb 1, 2019

4 days after my 2nd Shingrix vaccination, I suddenly developed intense peripheral neuropathy in both feet...for the first time in my life...anyone else?

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@bustrbrwn22

@jesfactsmon @sunnyflower What a conundrum. I had chickenpox in high school and a mild case of shingles in my early 40’s.

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Jen you're kidding!!! Wow, I haven't heard of that before. What a drag and a half! Hope you're having some victories these days. Many blessings, Sunny @jesfactsmon

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@jesfactsmon

@dont
Don, as you already know, but others may not, both of these articles that Colleen has placed here on your behalf relate to the antimuscarinic drug pirenzepine, which is being repurposed to help prevent and possibly reverse neuropathy symptoms. The implications for this are pretty exciting. There are trials ongoing, and from what I gather they may be into phase 3 trials by now. The company spearheading the effort, Winsantor, stands to gain tremendously from this if it successfully becomes an FDA approved treatment as there are many millions of people who might potentially become their customers in effect. I for one am hoping for the final breakthrough to happen. With so much to gain for whoever finds the magic bullet it seems like it's only a matter of time when something big is going to come along to help PN sufferers. Hopefully, this is it. Best, Hank

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So exciting; can't wait!!! @colleenyoung @don't

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@memomsloan

Did you get the sense your Neurologist might know something about a Class Action Suit or Tort?

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We did not discuss that and I’m pretty sure he was unaware of any.

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Try the regime given you and give it time to work...no two paths are the same.

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@jeffrapp

Hi @dont
No, I don't know of any lawsuits against Shingrex, but I'd be surprised if there weren't any. Pharma gets sued for almost anything these days, whether there is merit or not. And remember, no medicine or vaccine is perfect or without adverse reactions. The overwhelming evidence is that Shingrex benefits outweigh the risk by many orders of magnitude.
A cursory web search will turn up numerous class action suits against Zostavax.

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There are risks with almost any medication, vaccine, treatment, or procedure and while the risk may be "low," some people have adverse reactions that are serious. The CDC URL below has information on how to report an adverse reaction through VAERS website (https://vaers.hhs.gov/), or by calling 1-800-822-7967.

CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shingles/public/shingrix/index.html
It's so important to have an open dialogue with your provider and that they listen and explain their treatment recommendations to you. Then you and your provider can weigh the pros and cons of the treatment. I know this doesn't always happen.

Sometimes when I go to my provider, my provider seems inpatient and then I feel uncomfortable asking numerous questions. It's obvious they don't want to or feel they have the time to address all of my questions and concerns. Does anyone else feel this way?

@jeffrapp @sunnyflower @magnum52 @memomsloan and others. How would you approach providers to feel heard and get the answers to your questions?

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@memomsloan

Try the regime given you and give it time to work...no two paths are the same.

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I intend to. Thank you.

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@colleenyoung

@dont, I noticed that you wished to post a URL to web resources with your message. You will be able to add URLs to your posts in a few days. There is a brief period where new members can't post links. We do this to deter spammers and keep the community safe. Clearly the links you wanted to post are not spam, so allow me to post it here.

Don, found these 2 articles on potentially reversing PN:
- Study finds drugs that can reverse nerve damage https://www.sbrc.ca/2017/01/study-finds-drugs-that-can-reverse-nerve-damage/
- Anti-Muscarinic Drugs May Reverse Peripheral Neuropathy https://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/resources/news-and-research/anti-muscarinic-drugs-may-reverse-peripheral-neuropathy

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Thank you Colleen

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@erikas

There are risks with almost any medication, vaccine, treatment, or procedure and while the risk may be "low," some people have adverse reactions that are serious. The CDC URL below has information on how to report an adverse reaction through VAERS website (https://vaers.hhs.gov/), or by calling 1-800-822-7967.

CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shingles/public/shingrix/index.html
It's so important to have an open dialogue with your provider and that they listen and explain their treatment recommendations to you. Then you and your provider can weigh the pros and cons of the treatment. I know this doesn't always happen.

Sometimes when I go to my provider, my provider seems inpatient and then I feel uncomfortable asking numerous questions. It's obvious they don't want to or feel they have the time to address all of my questions and concerns. Does anyone else feel this way?

@jeffrapp @sunnyflower @magnum52 @memomsloan and others. How would you approach providers to feel heard and get the answers to your questions?

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@erikas
Erika, I would weigh how helpful he is in all different ways and if he is not just downright terrific in every way other than this "bedside manner" problem whereby he seems impatient to answer questions, I'd seek another doctor. My wife and I have the same pcp. We never waste his time, we understand he has other patients. But we do ask relevant and pertinent questions as they come up. When we have one we submit it to him through the patient portal online. He ALWAYS responds within 24 hours, often much less, with a thoughtful answer. He is very open to any suggestions we may have about our health issues and he often has good ideas of his own. If you decide to stay with your doctor, try to push him to answer ALL of you questions, that is part of his job. Best, Hank

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@magnum52

Gabapentin works for very few people. It’s basically an anti-seizure drug. I assume you had a skin biopsy to confirm SFN, which is about 88% accurate. I have been diagnosed with idiopathic SFN. My guess is that your blood work for heavy metals and B6 will be normal. Doctors have very little in their bags to effectively treat SFN, so they just keep changing medication doses. Next they probably will try Lyrica, another anti-seizure drug. Cymbalta, a SNRI, May end up,being your best bet, but it not great either. My industry, the pharmaceutical industry, has not taken the problem very seriously. I wish you luck on this miserable journey, but don’t expect much help from physicians.

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Hi @magnum52
As to your statement that gabapentin works for very few people, what led you to that conclusion? I know several people here have said they do get some or a lot of benefit. However, many do not see any benefit and some have atrocious side effects. It seems like it's more of a mixed bag, some like it some don't. I'd like to see what the percentages are either way.

I see that you had posted back in August asking about DRG stimulators and wondering if that would be a good thing for you. Just wondering whether you have done any more research along those lines? There is a discussion about stimulators here on Connect, maybe you'd like to go to this link and post where you are currently at on this: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/peripheral-nerve-stimulators/

Sorry for your sfpn situation, it's truly an atrocious disease. Hope you'll keep sharing here on Connect. Best, Hank

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@dont

Thank you Colleen

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Hi @dont, it's a shame that your diagnosis journey and experience is buried here on page 16 of a discussion about Shingrex. I encourage you to join these discussions:
- Living with Neuropathy - Welcome to the group https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/living-with-neuropathy-welcome-to-the-group/
- Just Diagnosed with Small Fiber Neuropathy https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/just-diagnosed-2/

There may be others that interest you too. Simply scroll through the recent discussion in the Neuropathy group https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/neuropathy/

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