@parus can you loan me a thumb? In all honesty it is time to re-do all the perennial beds. One is along side the length of the house and one that is 1/3 of my backyard. They were created before I bought the place. The previous owner had them done professionally. But they are now ready to be ripped out. I want to get new hardscaping done as well. Something more up to date and more me. Problem is I have no idea what I want. Once I have that decided and done, I would then be able to determine what would be planted in the beds. I am sure my sister-in-law would be able to help me. She has beautiful perennial gardens at her house.