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@yorlik

Thank you so much Martin. Your points are spot on. I too was just trying to educate myself because everything I have read and learned so far shouted NO NO NO!!

So I research, read, ask questions to my doctors, who now tell me they are too booked to even see me for 6 weeks after surgery! WTF? Everything said i should be seen 2-3 weeks after surgery. How can they do this to their patients? I thought they took an oath to help their patients before worrying about filling their pockets with money?

I explained my quandary to "my" cardiologist secretrary who answered the phone. She said she could not believe they sent me home with afib in full force or that they would give me a prescription for blood thinner! So she promised to ask the cardiologist... took the rest of the day, but at 4:45pm she called back and said she spoke with the cardiologist and he is ok with me starting elequist. (: I wonder if he even spent 30 seconds considering MY CASE. So depressinging...
OK, maybe he is right, so i put call into my surgeon - who was emphatic all along about me NOT being on blood thinners... Of course by now their office is closed. Called their answering service, got a PA to return my call. She too sounded confused with decisions beging made and promised to call surgeon himself and relay my concern... 30 minutes later she called back and gave me his reply: heis ok with my cardiologist' decision.

I feel let down. I now feel Doctors defend each other as police with their blue shield. I feel the emergency room let me down, I feel "my" cardiologist, who I saw once, doesn't care, and my surgeon just replies to cover everyone's arse..

Martin, I am curious why you have afib. My understanding was is a short term possible result of manhandling the heart in open heart surgery and thus should go away once the heart heals from it - or it is something that remains and the fix is a pacemaker. I do not understand why a peron would be allowed to just have afib and be given blood thinner to treat the symptom instead of fix the cause!

I am so sorry to hear about your TIA; I had a 5 minute no damage one 8 months ago, it was no fun. But to be able to place the potential blame on 2 glasses of wine along with your medication is very depressing... I enjoyed my beer. It was part of me. This future with no alcohol is 100% NOT for me.

I am depressed and giving up this morning. Now even my wife is mad at me for being short with her as she leaves for the pharmacy to get my crap. I am convinced I just lost my bid for any viable future and am being forced into an old frail man. No more beer every? Why the hell bother?

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@yorlik. I am 22yrs from my by pass surgery the Dr put me on 81mg aspirin I take one daily along with statin and b.p.pill Your attitude reflects on your condition so try to accept your afib and do as your cardiologist @surgeon says. when I had my chest cracked open then when the surgeon closed the nerves didn't align up this wasn't his fault but I had to have the anesthesiologist inject my chest it fixed the issue and it hurt but keeping a positive attitude and going on with your life I was all right 22yrs later so you will be o.k. ,relax the Dr knows what he is doing.

Hi @yorlik. It sounds like you are increasingly concerned, although your doctors seem to have rallied around more consensus than before. Important facts about A-fib may be at the center of your uncertainty. If so, here's a link to a Mayo Clinic web site on A-fib: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/atrial-fibrillation/symptoms-causes/syc-20350624.

A-fib is a much more general and widespread malady than just the one case of open heart surgery. It involves mainly irregular electrical impulses in the atrium, which often cause irregularities in the contraction of the ventricles (which, as you know, are the main pumps sending blood to your lungs and entire body). Nor is it always a short-term condition -- sometimes it becomes permanent. I have several personal friends who have had A-fib symptoms for years, as I have. As I understand it, A-fib as a single problem is rarely treated by a Pacemaker. Instead, treating A-fib starts with medication to regularize the heart beat, sometimes followed by "cardioversion" which resets the heart rhythm with medication or other procedures. Then "ablation" is the next level of treatment to zero out some wayward electrical currents that trigger contractions at the wrong time. Ablation can take several forms, ranging up to physical scarring of the electrical circuits, and those treatments have been successful for friends who have had them.

I also want to emphasize that "blood thinners" like Eliquis and Coumadin are NOT used to treat A-fib. They are prescribed to control the coagulation of your blood so it doesn't form blood clots when it pools for a time in the heart, awaiting good and strong signals to move on through the heart and into your body. In my case, I suffered a small stroke from a blood clot that blocked an artery in my brain. It was NOT a transient ischemic attack (TIA) but a plain old ischemic stroke in the "periventricular cells" deep in my brain. We speculate that the two glasses of wine interfered with my "blood thinners," first causing them be neutralized, then falling behind my rising coagulation level, which caused the clot to form and stay whole until it blocked circulation in a small part of my brain. Before that incident, I took a glass of wine a couple of times a week with dinner. Now I don't want to take the chance, and although I've lost some of my adventurous social spirit, that's a small price to pay for a new feeling to confidence that my medical team knows what they are doing.

Bottom line, I don't for a moment feel a loss of my future or a decline into old-man frailty. I just got back from the bowling alley and our weekly league meet, featuring 128 senior citizens aged 60 to 90 and averaging 76. I'm bowling 175 routinely now and rolled a 237 game and 565 series of 3 games last week. Not as good today, but pleased with my final game of 190. Would you like to become a substitute for our team? One or another of us has to skip out once a month, and we could use your help!