@parrotqueen It is a trial @ errorless I felt so Good on taking 2Boron so went down to 1.After the last post I went back up to taking 2again I'm going to stay on that since it's only 6 mg a day till I feel free of pain again then back to 1but it maybe I,LL have to just stay on 2.The knees where hurting in the joint when I started my own protocol with E.S. then the oil the joints don't hurt since peanut oil replaces the fluid in the joint ,I put on my ankles before bed don't fidget then .Take care have a pain free day