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I am a Volunteer Mentor and not a medical professional. I posted this on another page her, but after reading your comments, I have copied my comments to this page. I hope they are helpful in some way.

As an older adult (68 yrs.old at the time) I was put on several pain medications for chronic back pain that became acute pain in October, 2016. I am already taking Citalopram (SSRI) to which my pain doctor added Gabapentin, Baclofen, and Tramadol. I was also given a prescription for Valium to take before my back surgery in December, 2016. I continued to take these medications until I was beginning to feel better as a result of a new physical therapy I was trying called Active Release Technique (ART). When I told my pain doctor I wanted to stop taking the Gabapentin (600-900 mg/day), he seemed to be mad at me and asked me why. I told him I didn't like the way I felt on it, couldn't think straight and was losing large chunks of memory. (In fact, I thought I was getting Alzheimers it was so bad.) When he said I could just stop taking it, I said I had read that you can have withdrawal symptoms if you just stop it. He laughed at me and said impossible. Then I got a lecture on what was "withdrawal" and that I could only have that from opiods, not Gabapentin. However, I had read on Mayo Connect about the problems withdrawal from Gabapentin caused people. I then called my pharmacist who gave me a withdrawal schedule and confirmed that it was difficult to withdraw from. I successfully withdrew over 2-3 months time. I also withdrew from Baclofen at the same time toward the end of the 3 months. I discovered that my pain improved as I withdrew from the Gabapentin.

I was still taking Tramadol 50mg 4x day until November, 2017. I talked to the pain doctor about withdrawing from it as well, and he encouraged me to do that. It was much harder do withdraw from, and I still have some issues that I attribute to withdrawal. It has taken me 3 months to get off the Tramadol. I found that CBD Living Water and drops helped with my anxiety during withdrawl at the beginning. CBD is from marijuana and is the part of the plant that doesn't make you high. It helped me relax and relieved anxiety. I no longer use it. My pain doctor cut the number of pills in my prescription to 3 a day, and I began cutting those in half as I was going down in dose. I just got a refill of Tramadol and asked the doctor's office to only give me 30 pills as I would only need them now if I have acute pain, which happens only occasionally if I overdo it. However, they gave me the 90 pills again. If I was still feeling addicted to Tramadol this would have been a detrimental thing for me. Fortunately, I have just put the pills away and will not take any unless I really feel pain. Even then, I will only take 1/2 a pill.

It is hard to believe that pain doctors, especially, don't want you to get off drugs. Knowing what I know about Gabapentin now after taking it, I would recommend anyone taking it to withdraw, but that is only my experience. Others may find great help with it. What I have learned is to pay attention to my body, and if I think there is a problem with what my doctor tells me, find another source to investigate the information. I have successfully withdrawn from my medications, but I wasn't taking them for many years.

I recommend that anyone withdrawing from opiods/benzos talk with your doctor, but also with your pharmacist about what they recommend as a withdrawal schedule. If you are having withdrawal symptoms that are too much, go back to your previous dose, and take it slower. None of these drugs is easy to get off,and it takes a long time to do so. Take as long as you need, many months, and cut your doses in half or by quarters to help you with the slow withdrawal. By all means I recommend from my experience, try CBD to help with the anxiety you will feel. It is not addictive and if it's legal in your state, I found it very helpful.

I agree with you that in their efforts to find a way to help relieve pain, doctors have gone to the extreme in prescribing opiods as an easy "fix". I watched my older brothers go from light use to morphine and oxycontin, and now methadone in the pain doctor world. We have genetic back disease, but just treating the pain with medications isn't where things should stop. My discovery of ART has relieved my pain almost completely. I have pain but it is bearable, and if needed I take Tylenol first (following instructions), and that usually works. My youngest brother has gotten off oxy after many years of taking all kinds of drugs for pain. He had back surgery fusing two disks 2.5 years ago and though he still has pain, it's reduced and he's living with it.

I think we've all, including doctors, been misled about opoids and benzoprines. Money is a strong driver of corporate actions, and I believe that is the case here. I know to listen to my body and be very careful what I put in it. Doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and pharmacists are human beings. As such they make mistakes. In my opinion, our mistake can be listening to their advice at the expense of our own intuition about our bodies. They do the best they can,and I must do the best for myself as well.

How have you been handling your family member's withdrawal symptoms now?
Have you spoken to any pharmacists about helping with the schedule of withdrawal?
Please let us know where things are with them and with you. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and frustrations with us. I hope my experience is helpful.

Warm regards,
Gail B
Volunteer Mentor

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Gail, I think your arguments, especially for tapering off, not only with the help of one's MD, but also with help from a **pharmacist** are right on. As you point out, pain doctors have been long been trained, with lots of "encouragement" from Big Pharma, to prescribe opiates for chronic pain. I believe that only relatively recently, medical research has proven that opiates over time, not only lose its efficacy, but actually can **contribute** to chronic pain. As a person who's taken opiates for 8 years and is now off of them (it's been 11 days at zero opiates), -- I don't feel any worse and on some days, I am able to be more active than when I was taking the opiates!!

My observation is that the "average "U.S.pain & rehabilitation clinic is predominantly in the practice of *prescribing* opiates and has not yet evolved to widely incorporate getting people to taper down, if not off, the opiates. (this has been corroborated by pharmacists, pain psychologists, physical therapists and MDs, I've spoken to here in Madison, WI). Currently, I believe a patient has to go to an avant guarde clinic, like Mayo, to find specialists who are really at the cutting edge of tapering people off their opiates.