richman54660, Thanks for the info. Mine is a very deep rooted pain and not caused by any scarring, It is hard to explain, but it's in my left abdomen and is relentless and never ends. I do have it somewhat manageable, but pain meds won't work for this and I will soon be off all of them in time. I just hope I can sleep without the meds. I have a hard time sleeping as it is now.