Hi John, Have you sought out the help of a Dr? I’ve had broken bones and injuries that have caused me pain problems for years. I’ve bern on both meds you mention. By my choice twice I’ve stopped all meds to see how much pain I’m in without them, and to try and maintain without them. Just like you I’d been happy on them for a long time. One time I stopped with a Drs help using suboxone and one time I went through a rapid detox where it’s over in a couple days with medical intervention. Both times worked fine without white knuckling it. Unfortunately for me I’m in a lot of pain without any medication. Maybe find Dr. who can help.