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Cancer | Last Active: Jun 18, 2023 | Replies (508)

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@fmh1

Colleen, thanks for serving as moderator! I have an idea to share with you and seek your ideas as well.

At 62, I am living with stage 4 prostate cancer, currently on hormone therapy (Eligard every three months), and am an insulin-dependent diabetic (30 years) with advanced coronary disease (super high CAC), but you'd never know it to look at me and my 40+ hour work schedule! I was treated four years ago with combination therapy, external beam + brachytherapy, but it did not stop the cancer progression. I can handle the side effects of hormone therapy except for one, the increased blood sugar, which is dramatically higher. Because of this, I am actively seeking second opinions from Mayo and MD Anderson regarding alternatives to hormone therapy after chemo ( I had 6 treatments of taxotere, ending on 7/11/19).

In a nutshell, i view prostate cancer like this: metastatic prostate cancer is like a car driving around with living people/cancer cells, driving away from the prostate and dropping off the cancer cells in various locations (bones, liver, kidneys) as it travels around your body on the bloodstream highway. However, for men, the car needs gas, and that gas is testosterone; by cutting off the gas supply, or minimizing its fuel, it cannot travel as far or as fast throughout the body. While the car is the vehicle that carries the cancer cells all over the body, the cancer cells/passengers themselves, per the work of Dr. Thomas Seyfried, Cancer As A Metabolic Disease, cannot survive without glucose/sugar and glutamine in the blood. Dr. Seyfried's simplified theory is to cut off the food supply --- glucose and glutamine --- to the cancer cells, and over time they cannot survive or thrives, regardless of whether or not the car still has fuel/testosterone to carry them around the body. They will simply die off over time without glucose/glutamine. Admittedly, Dr. Seyfried's theory is still under clinical investigation, but it holds great promise for cancer patients.

Here is the dilemma for insulin-dependent diabetics on hormone therapy: while the drug drops testosterone/fuel for the spread of cancer to nearly zero, it dramatically increases blood sugar, the fuel for the cancer cells that are still alive, food for metabolism/replication. What is the potential implication of this? Existing cancer cells will get more than enough fuel to survive and thrive, though spreading more slowly without testosterone. My cancer doctor's advice was this: consult with your endocrinologist and adjust your insulin. I did that, and my insulin requirements increased to an insanely high amount to get my blood sugar even close to normal (80-110).

This is why I am seeking a second opinion from either Mayo or MD Anderson. Your thoughts appreciated as well!

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Hi @fmh1, such a good topic of discussion "Dealing with diabetes and cancer". I bet that you are not the only member here on Connect who is managing both conditions. I might suggest that you start a new discussion in the Cancer group about it. In these instruction, you can find out how to start a new discussion: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/get-started-on-connect/

As for clinical advice regarding glucose and glutamine, that is out of my pay grade. It is certainly well worth clinical investigation. Do you know of any current clinical trials? You may wish to contact Mayo's research department:
Cancer-related clinical studies questions
Phone: 855-776-0015 (toll-free)

Did your endocrinologist explain why and increased amount of insulin was required? What changed?

@fmh1 I just saw your post. I have posted elsewhere here about my melanoma story, the upshot of which is that I was just diagnosed with it being metastatic (originally on scalp, now in neck lymph node(s)).
I just watched a video of Dr Seyfried on Youtube (only a few weeks old) where he explains his theory. I am going to try and find out if there is a way to find a doctor near me (greater Tampa Bay) that would implement his protocols.
Were you able to find anyone? I know that the FDA and Big Pharma have pretty much closed down all alternate theories and treatments, so I am guessing it will be pretty hard to find a doctor.
I wish you well!