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Really appreciate this website and group on this journey.

I’ve done 3 consultations after the PSMA PET which confirmed the biopsy but the PSMA PET results also alluded to a small and feint spot on the left that is lighting up.

Started orgovyx after PSMA-PET was done first week of March

Urologist #1 - Primary and the one who conducted biopsy #2 recommend HIFU because of age (53) and quality of life benefits.

Urologist #2 - not a fan/very dismissive of HIFU because I’m a 3+4, with a PSA 11, hence intermediate risk. Wants decipher and Artera test to decide on a path forward but leaning towards radiation.

Urologist 3 - arrived at the same conclusion as #2 but leaning towards radical. Was partially dismissive of HIFU as well, citing HIFU as ‘experimental’ and not FDA approved. The reoccurrence rate within the 10 year window was also of great concern for him with HifU.
He also pulled up a website (which I failed to write down) that data on recommended treatment plan based on risk (intermediate..) factors. #3 also wants me to stop taking the Orgovyx

Three urologists - 3 different approaches

An aside: Did a blood test recently and was surprised at how quickly orgovyx - after 1 month - dropped my PSA (1.6) and testosterone level (below 300).

Will pray about it more but currently leaning towards radical.

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Not sure you saw my post about focal therapy. Here’s the information again.

At the 11/1/2025 PCRI conference the following was said by Matthew R. Cooperberg, MD, MPH Urologic Oncologist UCSF

What about focal therapy?
* The energy modality matters much less than the accuracy of the imaging - which is not there yet.
* Overall focal therapy is associated with minor side effects, but high rates of recurrence both in- and out-of-field.
* Focal therapy is not really a replacement for surgery or radiation; it is better considered an adjunct to active surveillance

Af the UCSF prostate cancer forum on 4-17-26 Dr. Cooperberg had slides with this information

UCSF Results: first 135 HIFU patients

• 54% recurrence (41% in-field)

• 4% progression by 1 year, 16% overall

• IPSS (urinary obstruction) 6 before, 6 after

• SHIM (erection function) 16 before, 13 after (p=0.11)

• Major drivers of recurrence: GG3, high Decipher

Trade-offs

• Overall focal therapy is associated with minor side effects, but high rates of recurrence

• Inadequate energy delivery?

• Inadequate field of treatment?

• New cancer development?

• Others?

• Understanding the high recurrence rates and trying to improve them is a major area of research focus.

• Focal therapy does not burn bridges: RP, RT, even additional focal therapy are possible if necessary

Summary thoughts

•Focal ablation has a growing role for very carefully selected cases.

• Side effects rates are low but recurrence rates are high. GG3 and high Decipher are warning signs, as are high PSAD and bilateral disease.

• Focal therapy is an adjunct to active surveillance; additional treatment may well be needed down the road, but these treatments are still possible after focal.

University of California Consensus

1 Focal therapy must be acknowledged to be investigational

2. Focal therapy should be done under trial or research protocols as much as possible

3. Candidates should have at least 10 year life expectancy, GG2 or low-volume GG3, stage T1 or 2, and PSA < 10 or PSA < 20 and PSAD
< 0.15

4. Candidates need an MRI-guided confirmatory biopsy before treatment

5. Follow-up biopsy at 12 months is essential

@ma740988 Read Wheel1 post and make sure you get a good surgeon if that is your choice for treatment since both technique and skill of surgeon will determine what side effects (ED, incontinence) you will suffer. A lot of younger patients chose surgery since it allows radiation if there is a recurrence.

Tests recommended by #2 are useful regardless of treatment chosen especially Decipher which gives you probability of recurrence based on the genetics of the tumor. Get Prostox if considering radiation since that will give you odds on negative long term side effects (separate genetic tests for IMRT and SBRT).

Tulsa Pro (form of HIFU) is now FDA approved and covered by Medicare. However, not covered by most work insurance along with other focal therapies. All (HIFU, laser, DC current, Cyro) have high recurrence rates but very low side effects. Usually chosen by younger patients where preservation of lifestyle is the priority. Even if no ED expect dry orgasms after surgery/radiation.