New to the brotherhood, is my event timeline reasonable?

Posted by logan9 @logan9, Sep 2, 2025

Wish I had found this group much earlier, but thankful to have eventually found you all shortly after my RALP on 8/14/2025. My surgeon is graduate of Mayo Clinic, my wife and I were very comfortable in the decision for surgery. Unfortunately, afterwards pathology found there was bladder neck invasion, so it appears that at some point down the road additional treatment of some form will be required. This discovery has led to some critical thinking, and perhaps I am off base to consider whether further treatment should be taken elsewhere due to a perceived bottleneck of services. I'd appreciate all comments, maybe my timeline is very normal, I simply do not have any experience with an illness of this magnitude. Thankyou in advance for taking the time to read and your opinions.

1/7/2025 Wellness exam, PSA @7.98
1/20/2025 Urologist, digital exam normal, antibiotic for possible urinary infection, retest PSA 6 wks.
3/3/2025 Urologist followup, PSA @ 7.48, recommend MRI with and without contrast.
3/25/2025 MRI performed.
6/17/2025 MRI guided biopsy performed.
6/26/2025 CT PET SCAN performed, prostate contained disease with no spread at this time.
7/16/2025 Review of biopsy & scan results with slight tracer on left 5th rib necessitating a bone scan, decision made for surgery.
7/24/2025 Total Body Bone Scan performed, rib tracer result of old injury.
7/25/2025 Review Bone Scan & Surgery details.
8/14/2025 RALP performed.
8/25/2025 Cystogram performed, catheter removed, review of final pathology results.

Pending Appointments:

9/29/2025 Physical therapy scheduled for pelvic floor evaluation, this was the soonest I could be seen.
11/10/2025 3-Month surgery follow-up with PSA test. Urologist spoke of monitoring PSA, at some point in 1-2 years or more I would be referred for intermodal therapy with a radiation oncologist.

My final surgical pathology report:
Procedure: Radical prostatectomy
Histologic Type: Acinar adeno carcinoma
Histologic Grade: 4+4=8, grade group 4
Minor Tertiary Pattern: 5 (less than 5%): Not identified
Intraductal Carcinoma (IDC): Not identified
Cribriform Glands: Present
Treatment Effect: No known preoperative therapy
Tumor Quantitation: Estimated Percentage of Prostate Involved by Tumor: 31-40%.
EPE: Present, focal, right mid posterior
Urinary Bladder Neck Invasion: Present, right bladder neck
Seminal Vesicle Invasion: Not identified
Lymphvascular Invasion: Not identified
Margin Status: Margins positive for invasive carcinoma, right bladder neck and right posterior mid
Regional Lymph Nodes: Three benign lymph nodes (0/3)
Pathological Staging: pT3a pN0

As mentioned earlier we are comfortable with our urologist, but have recently wondered about the timing of events, which then leads us to wonder if there is a bottleneck of access to services.
Knowing the likelihood of future oncology treatment, would we be better served if we considered seeking getting established sooner preemptively with a center such as Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, or perhaps Duke Health which is closer to us?
I feel I'm starting to ramble now, so I should probably close now.
Thankyou again for taking the time to read and respond.
Terry

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I wanted to provide an update to my journey for anybody facing the decision of moving their care to a center of excellence.

After my surgery but before my initial 3-month follow-up, after receiving good advice from this forum I sent my Urologist surgeon a message stating:
Given my aggressive features, I wanted to use this time interval to evaluate where/who he would refer me for radiation treatment and begin to move towards a team approach.
More detailed information regarding my cribriform pattern, was it large/small?
I requested a Decipher test to be performed on my prostate tissue.

The responses I got over multiple exchanges was less then satisfying:
I never did get an answer to my cribriform pattern size, only a definition which I already knew.
He eventually did relent and order the Decipher test, but it required extended debate.
He would not tell me where/who I would be referred to until face to face with him at my initial 3-month follow-up. His written response to my query was, "You are likely to require a multidisciplinary approach long-term. However, in the short-term there is no value in a radiation or medical oncology referral at this time".

I did not require a referral, so after some research I setup my own appointment with a GU Oncologist at Duke Cancer Center appx two months post-surgery. Prior to this 2nd opinion meeting, I was requested to complete PSA & Testosterone testing with Duke CC, and all my prostate related information including biopsy & surgery slides/results were reviewed prior to and covered during our appointment, he answered all our questions, encouraged me to participate in the Promise program for genetic testing. We came away feeling very informed, and this oncologist was willing to work with our Urologist if that was what we wanted.

At our 3-month follow-up with our urologist, he could see on My Chart that I had been seen at Duke CC but he could see no details. He asked who I had seen, I told him and he looked him up right then. I remarked that he would not reveal the same information to me previously so I asked him again where/who he would refer be to, and he finally told me which I wrote down and reviewed later. We discussed radiation/hormone treatment briefly, and he repeated that 0.2 would be the trigger point for such treatment somewhere 1-2 years in the future, and he said see you in three months. That was the last time I've seen him. I couple weeks later I sent him a nice message thanking him, but that I was transitioning my care to Duke CC, his PA responded nicely but never heard from him.

I am positive 110% that we have made the correct decision for my case, especially given the events that followed and that my 1-2 years of relief have become mere months.
Here are my data points:
PSA - 10/2/2025 = 0.02 11/5/2025 = 0.04 1/30/2026 = 0.09 3/17/2026 = 0.17
Testosterone - 10/2/2025 = 251 1/30/2026 = 232
Decipher Score - .85 (high risk)
Promise Result - Negative

The 11/5/2025 was from the urologist office, while everything else was from Duke CC, there was not much concern over the different values of the first two results due to lab variability.

After the 0.09 PSA value, we were offered an appointment with radiation oncology or we wait until the next 3-month appointment. We took advantage of meeting asap to get established and discuss my situation, which included a starting radiation/ ADT prior to 0.2 if rise continued. It was the radiation oncologist that recommended the March PSA test at the 2-month mark, which we agreed with and clearly we have rise & velocity.

Things have since moved swiftly, we have met with both oncologists since 3/17, have agreed with radiation to prostate bed and lymph nodes pelvic region. Almost finished my second week of Bicalutamide with two more weeks to go, also have Lupron 6-month shot coming this next Monday. Also, next Monday with be full blood workup with another scheduled for end of April.
Radiation will be Photon IMRT, 20 sessions, 52.5-55 Gys. I'll be getting mapped out in another week.
We had good discussions about radiation and ADT and came to an agreement on this format.

In summary, I really liked my urologist, very straightforward, we believe he did a fine surgery, but he was clearly attempting to control the narrative to his way of thinking. The entire process from disease discovery thru ultimately surgery had us reeling and unable to find solid footing. Over time with alot of learning inside/outside this forum, and solid advice from this forum, we feel like we are now able to participate with some level of confidence in discussions about my condition/treatment options.
Zero regrets transitioning to a COE, I hope my urologist experience is helpful to others in their decision making.

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@logan9
I am so glad to hear that that you found great cancer center and a doctor who is proactive and who knows what to do - what a relief it must be for you to finally feel listened to and being taken seriously. It is enough anguish to deal with imminent BCR and to deal with ambiguous answers on top of it must have been a nightmare. : ((
My husband had RP in August and his uPSA is creeping up now so I completely understand you.

Would you be so kind to tell me what length of ADT your team recommended ?

Thanks in advance .

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Really sounds like you made a good decision moving your treatment. Sorry to see your PSA is rising so quickly. Hopefully the radiation will make a big difference and with Lupron you’re not going to notice any PSA rise for a while.

Is there some reason you didn’t try to get Orgovyx Instead of Lupron? It does seem to have slightly fewer side effects for some people. How long did they say you would be on Lupron? Orgovyx Is a pill you just take once a day.

You should talk to your doctor about putting you on an ARPI. The Problem is that staying on ADT alone can cause you to become castrate resistant too soon. If you are on an ARPI like Darolutamide or apalutamide They can delay the amount of time it takes to become castrate resistant. This is actually Done more frequently now that doctors have become aware of the problem with castrate resistance. Speak to the oncologist at Duke about this. They may talk to you about putting you on Zytiga instead. That drug has a lot more side effects and there’s really no solid reason you should do that drug first. Darolutamide does have the least side effects of the lutamide drugs.

Just some things to think about and discuss with your doctors.

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@jeffmarc
I appreciate your comments and suggestions very much, I'll add them to my notes for next round of questions.
The length of time for ADT will be 6 months.
I did specifically bring up taking Orgovyx, the decision had nothing to do with insurance/cost, and my oncologist took the time to clearly explain the options. I came to feel that Lupron for my situation at this point in time was the better choice, specifically due to the extended tapering off after 6 months should overlay well with the extended effect of radiation once that ends.
I feel that unless there is very good reason Lupron will be a one-time use, with Orgovyx or its replacement will be waiting for future use if needed. I'm otherwise in good health, exercise, and fingers/toes crossed for few side effects.
Thanks again, I appreciate your comments.

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@logan9
I am so glad to hear that that you found great cancer center and a doctor who is proactive and who knows what to do - what a relief it must be for you to finally feel listened to and being taken seriously. It is enough anguish to deal with imminent BCR and to deal with ambiguous answers on top of it must have been a nightmare. : ((
My husband had RP in August and his uPSA is creeping up now so I completely understand you.

Would you be so kind to tell me what length of ADT your team recommended ?

Thanks in advance .

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@surftohealth88
My RP was last August as well, really hoped to have a year or two off the merry-go-round but wasn't meant to be, still have to be thankful for the advancements of modern medicine.
The plan is for me to be on ADT for 6 months.
Prayers for you and your husband.

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@jeffmarc
I appreciate your comments and suggestions very much, I'll add them to my notes for next round of questions.
The length of time for ADT will be 6 months.
I did specifically bring up taking Orgovyx, the decision had nothing to do with insurance/cost, and my oncologist took the time to clearly explain the options. I came to feel that Lupron for my situation at this point in time was the better choice, specifically due to the extended tapering off after 6 months should overlay well with the extended effect of radiation once that ends.
I feel that unless there is very good reason Lupron will be a one-time use, with Orgovyx or its replacement will be waiting for future use if needed. I'm otherwise in good health, exercise, and fingers/toes crossed for few side effects.
Thanks again, I appreciate your comments.

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@logan9
With only six months of ADT, you do not need an ARPI.

That sounds like a good plan.

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@logan9
With only six months of ADT, you do not need an ARPI.

That sounds like a good plan.

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@jeffmarc
Thankyou for your opinion, coming from you it helps me feel like I made the right decision.

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@jeffmarc
Thankyou for your opinion, coming from you it helps me feel like I made the right decision.

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@logan9
Hello Logan. I have had the same initial biopsy as you. After the surgery cancer was found outside the margins with bladder neck involved. That was February 2016. 59 years old. I was suggested , then given 8 weeks of radiation (my only tattoos). Of course since I also had nerve involvement my mojo was gone. Took a while but myself and my wife accepted it. I was after all past the crazy sex days. I went on for 9 years, basically not worrying just getting a psa every year. I moved to Maine, was strong. Eventually my psa began to rise. Was supposed to be undetectable. Long story short I had a pet scan which lit up quite a bit. That was 2024. Went on adt. Quarterly injections ; daily 1000mg abiraterone +prednisone. So far so good. It’s Easter 2026 and besides being a bit weaker than before I’m still here to enjoy my family. I still do most things I always did before, albeit with more difficulty. So my advice is listen to your doctors, keep a good attitude and live. We live with the sword above our necks, but we live. Good luck

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