@csimmonds
My rheumatologist didn't want to refer me to an endocrinologist when I still needed 10 mg of prednisone for PMR. However, I got a referral and I visited with an endocrinologist who said there was nothing she could do. We had a pleasant conversation about my 12 years of being on prednisone. At the end of my visit the endocrinologist said I should come back to see her if I ever got down to 3 mg. The endocrinologist referred me back to my rheumatologist to see if there was anything else my rheumatologist could do to get me on a lower dose of prednisone.
A couple of years later I started Actemra. I was able to taper down to 3 mg of prednisone. It didn't seem like I needed prednisone anymore because I didn't have a flare of PMR. I was "symptomatic" but it didn't seem like PMR was the problem.
I told my primary care doctor about how awful I felt and we discussed my symptoms. I reminded my primary care doctor that the endocrinologist wanted to see me again if I ever got down to 3 mg of prednisone. I don't know exactly why my primary care doctor ordered a morning cortisol level but the result of my cortisol level created a lot of action. I was told that I shouldn't taper my prednisone dose any lower than 3 mg until I could be seen by the endocrinologist again.
My second visit with the endocrinologist was about 2 years after my first visit. My morning cortisol level was rechecked along with an ACTH level because both were needed to confirm prednisone induced adrenal insufficiency. I remember that my ACTH level was normal but my cortisol level was still low.
According to artificial intelligence:
"A normal ACTH level alongside low morning cortisol (often < 10 µg/dL or
< 300 nmol/L) can indicate that the hypothalamus-pituitary axis is trying, but failing, to stimulate the adrenal glands, a common finding during recovery from steroid-induced adrenal insufficiency. This suggests the pituitary is functioning, but the adrenals remain suppressed by previous high-dose prednisone, meaning the body is still recovering from chronic suppression."
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There still wasn't much the endocrinologist could do except to tell me to stay on 3 mg and wait until my cortisol level improved. I remember the endocrinologist telling me that a low cortisol level was better than none. She was optimistic that my cortisol level would improve with time. About 6 months later my cortisol level improved and we discussed stopping prednisone but that would be the beginning of another long story.
I routinely see an endocrinologist 5 years after discontinuing Prednisone for metabolic abnormalities from long term prednisone use. My cortisol level is normal again but my endocrinologist says some of my metabolic abnormalities might be irreversible.
@dadcue Thank you for your response. I am currently taking 2 mg. prednisone. My rheumatologist told be I no longer have PMR because I have had it for 2 years and that is the length of time for it (actually she is wrong I have only had it a year) This surprised me and I asked how she could tell. She said it is because I could raise my hands over my head and get up out of a chair. I have always been able to--with pain. So I inquired as to why I still had the same symptoms. She said--'probably arthritis." That is all she had to say. I am still pondering the appointment and thinking of changes of provider. She showed very little interest in my well being no matter what the diagnosis. Have you ever heard of PMR just being for 2 years--for everyone. My body tells me I still have it but I guess I have a year to convince it otherwise.