Slight rise in PSA 24 years after radical prostatectomy!
I had surgery over 23 years ago. Gleason was 3+3=6. All cancer was contained within the prostate. No follow up treatment needed. PSA has remained undetectable ever since. In November at annual physical PSA was checked and came back at 0.2. Rechecked a month ago and it was still at 0.2. Seeing a urologist next week. Not sure what the next step will be. I'm assuming probably a PET scan? I was totally not expecting this after so long. I'm 75yo. I was 52 at the time of surgery. Anyone else experienced anything similar? Someone said that salvage radiation, if necessary, can be really difficult and there are some nasty side effects. Still trying to wrap my head around having to follow up on this after so many years. Hoping it may be a fluke..... but two 0.2 readings 3 months apart, so I'm concerned. Any suggestions welcomed. Best to all. Mike
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@windrider354 The results had always been < 0.08 or < 0.1, but this PSA was reported as just 0.2
@tuckerp My path report indicated that the cancer had not escaped the margins of the prostate, so it was contained. There was no lymph involvement found. I guess I was considering myself "cured" after 20 years of undetectable PSA. We have to be vigilant about checking on it. And I didn't "double check" the lab results the past two years.... and it seems I may have slipped up. Good luck to you!!
@melvinw Thank you for sharing your experience with the salvage radiation. I'm sure things have changed a lot in 20+ years. While I believe in 2nd and 3rd opinions, I'm just wondering if the opinions from other oncologists you saw were very different from each other. Best wishes to you! Mike
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Your doctor is following the standard of care. Having no change, for all that time, means that nothing’s growing.
You apparently are not on any drugs for prostate cancer and your PSA is not rising over a long period of time. Keep checking every three months, And relax, you are in great shape. So many people would be really happy with what you’ve got happening.
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1 Reaction@domiha Going three years with unchanged PSA is a good thing, even if it is at the threshold for considering a BCR.
I am looking at the tables in Dr. Walsh’s book right now. Here’s what they say:
With your Gleason score (6), plus more than three years to recurrence, plus a doubling time > 15 months, the tables estimate the odds of NOT dying from prostate cancer are 100% (98-100) at five years, 98% (96-100) at ten years, and 94% (87-100) at fifteen years.
Damn good odds! And Dr Walsh states that these are worse-case estimates because the data are old and new tools for disease management have emerged.
Dr Walsh also says that if your Gleason score is 5-7, your first time to PSA recurrence was greater than two years, and your doubling was greater than ten months, then your chance of NOT developing metastatic bone disease is 95% at three years, 86% at five years, and 82% at seven years. Again, good odds.
So, yeah, no need to panic, but I would definitely get things sorted out and at minimum establish key baselines for monitoring your situation. Sounds like you’re on top of it.
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1 ReactionAs everyone is saying, it is a very good sign that your PSA is stable, even if it is 0.2. Also, like everyone is saying, a PSMA PET scan might not be sensitive enough to detect anything at this point. But there is one simple blood test you can take called the EpiSwitch PSE test that is 94% accurate on indicating the presence of prostate cancer in your body. See details here https://www.94percent.com/ Of course, close monitoring of your PSA is required no matter what and any further rise in PSA would trigger the need for a PSMA PET scan.
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5 Reactions@domiha The first RO I met with wanted to add short term ADT (Orgovyx) to RT. Next I talked to an MO who wanted to hit me with all kind of hormone therapy drugs along with RT. Then I met with another RO. She was more agnostic about the ADT and was totally comfortable with just treating with radiation.
Because I was intermediate risk, along with low PSA and a long time to recurrence, adding ADT to RT was big gray area. Because of the potential metabolic risks of ADT, some docs won’t recommend it for intermediate risk relapse patients with PSA less than 0.5.
The first RO hit me with a FOMO argument for doing ADT which I didn’t appreciate. He also cited a published trial in support of his ADT recommendation. I thoroughly perused the paper he cited and challenged him on how he was extrapolating the results of the study to apply them to me. I got him to admit the he was overreaching the data. The MO just reflexively recommended a battery of hormone therapy drugs without any discussion of risks and benefits. When I pushed back, he said “okay” and passed me on to the RO I finally worked with. She also was more tuned into my goals and priorities, and comfortable with my assessment of the medical literature.
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3 Reactions@domiha PSA..it is not risinging. it is stable. relax. just check it every 4 months and if you notice any other new/unusual symptoms anywhere, check it..but 90% of the guys on this board would love the readings you are getting, PSA wise..3 yrs at______ .19 - .2_______that is stable.
@melvinw Thanks for taking the time to explain. Obviously, I'll need to wait and see what the uro recommends next. But your sharing has certainly given me some questions to ask and explore IF I need to purse treatment by a RO. Thanks! Mike
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1 Reaction@wwsmith Thanks! I was not aware of the blood test. Is this commonly used these days to diagnose PCa instead of guys having to go through biopsy? Best wishes! Mike