Proton vs Photon

Posted by cecelia19 @cecelia19, Mar 4 4:47am

My 73 y/o husband was diagnosed with prostate cancer and so far has received conflicting opinions on treatment options as there is disagreement regarding interpretation of the prostate MRI. We are going to Mayo next week for answers. If radiation is our only option I would be interested to know from fellow posters what type of radiation they had - proton or photon - and their opinions on this. A relative had radiation tx at Mayo for a different type of cancer and they recommended proton. The doctors whom we've seen in MI have all said that photon is just as good as proton, one oncologist even at a center where both types are offered. We are skeptical because it is imperative that adjacent structures are unaffected as he has problems with his urinary tract and bowel. We will follow Mayo's treatment plan of course, but would greatly appreciate input from fellow patients who have had radiation for their prostate cancer. Thank all of you in advance for your help during this very difficult and confusing time.

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@cecelia19 Questions to ask regarding prostate cancer external radiation treatments

You will want to weigh the risks, benefits, preferences, and outcomes of various treatment options; these can help guide your decision and help you start an open and candid conversation with your oncologist.

> What are the different external radiation treatment options (IMRT, SBRT, Proton) for my condition?
> Which kinds of external radiation therapy would treat my cancer best (IMRT, SBRT, or Proton)?
> Which are available at this facility?
> How many have you done?
> What are the procedures (When/Where/How) for each type of radiation treatment?
> What are the expected side and after-effects and risk factors with (the specific form of) radiation treatment?
> Will I require hormone therapy (Eligard, Lupron, Orgovyx) as part of my treatments?
> What side-effects should I expect from the hormone therapy?
> Is there a way to minimize the side-effects from the hormone therapy?
> What are the chances that I will suffer from complications during or after treatment (from either the radiation or the hormone therapy)?
> What are the chances that I will have GU, GI, ED, incontinence, bowel, rectal, problems during or shortly after, treatment?
> Should I be worried about side effects years after treatment has ended?
> What advanced technologies do you offer at this facility that can help reduce the risk of side effects?
> For (the specific form of) radiation, will I use a rectal spacer? If so, what type (SpaceOAR or Barrigel)?
> Is there a chance the cancer will come back after treatment?
> What will the preparation for each treatment look like?
> What will the duration of each treatment be?
> Can you describe the entire treatment plan?
> Will there be an impact on my daily routine?
> Will I be able to continue to work?
> What activities will I still be able to do?
> What activities are not recommended during each type of treatment?
> How soon must a decision on treatment be reached?
> Is there anything that I didn’t ask that I should know?

Hope that helps!
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@brianjarvis This MORE than helps. Brilliant questions and I can't thank you enough for sharing them. I'll write you after my consult and let you know what was presented. Things became complicated when a radiation oncologist we saw had a different opinion of the report from the imaging center. Also complicating things - husband has had a catheter for many months. Surgery would be the ideal option to remedy both the cancer and catheter issue but depending on the actual prostate MRI results (I will have the utmost confidence in how Mayo reads it), radiation may be the only option. Again, thank you for all the help you have given us.

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@heavyphil A great question regarding entry doses. I never got to ask those questions because I had already decided on the Adaptive Photon Approach. I'm not sure if technology is still the same, but I read a lot about Protons leaving "tan" marks on the sides of your hips where the entry dose enters. I asked about this with my Adaptive IMRT and was told that there would be no tanning or other skin irritations because the gantry moves around you and there is not any one particular spot subjected to damaging levels of radiation (except the target area in and around the prostate). I'm not sure of the mechanics of how protons is beamed into your body or whether newer gantry technology has corrected the higher entry dose issue (my perception & words only), I didn't get that far.

To me, any irritation or tanning indicates exposure to healthy cells: the opposite of my personal treatment goals. Similar to diarrhea from photon radiation, which to me indicates unwanted exposure to the rectum. To better protect my rectum I chose to use a Bioprotect spacer rather than SpaceOar or other gel. Recently approved, Bioprotect is a saline filled balloon that provides an additional 2-3 mm space over and above SpaceOar. I am now 18 days into my 28 day IMRT and have had zero rectal side effects. None.

Also relatively newly approved and studied, Adaptive Photon Therapy constantly monitors my prostate position as the treatment is being given. Most days the Linac stops as sudden internal gas might appear and until it dissipates, a few seconds. Or it stops so the rad techs can re-position me a millimeter or two as my bladder continues to fill while laying on the table during treatment and shifts the target field slightly. This gives me comfort that the treatment dose is going where it needs to be with minimal unnecessary exposure to normal cells.

For me, I am super pleased that my research and treatment goals have led me to the right treatment for me.

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@jesse65 Yup, the Linac - even used with photons - is a great therapy; if the prostate leaves the target zone in 3D the machine automatically turns off, sparing delicate surrounding tissue.
Great for primary treatment, but not so much for SRT, even though it’s used for that as well.

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I was treated with chemotherapy and radiation 40 years ago for Hodgkin’s lymphoma. This included 64 radiation treatments, 20 of which were to my pelvis. Now I have been diagnosed with prostate cancer. I asked my Urologist if radiation was an option for my prostate cancer and he was not sure. Does anyone have any insight on this topic?

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I was treated with chemotherapy and radiation 40 years ago for Hodgkin’s lymphoma. This included 64 radiation treatments, 20 of which were to my pelvis. Now I have been diagnosed with prostate cancer. I asked my Urologist if radiation was an option for my prostate cancer and he was not sure. Does anyone have any insight on this topic?

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@fitzhealthacct2025
Speak to a radiation oncologist. Urologists are not trained to be radiation oncologists.

SBRT radiation that is isolated to the prostate probably can do this. If they have to radiate the lymph nodes, that’s a problem. IMRT radiation does a much wider area and may not be possible. An RO can tell you much more.

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My prayers and support to you at this difficult time. I been advised and after an excessive amount of search the proton therapy has an advantage over the photon. As the proton therapy has the characteristics to stop at a precise point so the other organs can be spared from being affected. Proton therapy is more expensive. Due to this advantage.

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My prayers and support to you at this difficult time. I been advised and after an excessive amount of search the proton therapy has an advantage over the photon. As the proton therapy has the characteristics to stop at a precise point so the other organs can be spared from being affected. Proton therapy is more expensive. Due to this advantage.

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@marvelous20250 Thank you for your prayers. Tomorrow is the big day when we find out just where things are at and how to go forward. I've been down the cancer road several other times with close family members but it is no easier. Still I find myself terrified and I know my husband is too, although we don't reveal this to one another, staying very positive. I follow a friend's advice - cry in the shower when you have to. Thanks again for your prayers. The most powerful tool in our arsenal of treatments. That is my feeling about proton therapy as well. We have good insurance and live near a proton center. There is a compelling video on the PCRI website supporting this.

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Your husband and you are not walking into that treatment room alone tomorrow. God goes before you, stands beside you, and surrounds you with His peace. What feels frightening to you is already in His hands.

Remember that fear speaks loudly, but faith speaks truth. And the truth is that you are stronger than you feel right now. The same God who carried you through yesterday will carry you through tomorrow.

Let every beam of treatment be guided by His healing hand. May His presence calm your heart, steady your mind, and fill that room with peace.

Tonight, rest knowing this:“The Lord is my light and my salvation—whom shall I fear?”
He is God Almighty.
You are covered in prayer, surrounded by love, and held safely in God’s care. Tomorrow is not a day of fear — it is a day of courage, hope, and healing. 🙏

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@cecelia19
I had the Mridian linac Radiation Machine for Prostate Cancer in 2023. I picked it over other radiation machines, including Proton, because it is one of two machines, the other being the electa unity, that have a built-in Mri. What the doctor sees in real time the doctor can treat in real time. All the other machines, including Proton use fused images. It also meant that the healthy tissue exposure with this type of machine was only 2 mm versus 3 to 5 mm margin for all other radiation machines including Proton. That meant that my side effects and quality of life would be minimal and they were. If there was a Proton machine that had a built-in MRI, I probably would have chosen it.

In either Case, you might want to make sure your husband gets spaceoar gel inserted to give his Prostate and rectum some extra space to avoid greater exposure to any radiation that you all may choose.

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Your husband and you are not walking into that treatment room alone tomorrow. God goes before you, stands beside you, and surrounds you with His peace. What feels frightening to you is already in His hands.

Remember that fear speaks loudly, but faith speaks truth. And the truth is that you are stronger than you feel right now. The same God who carried you through yesterday will carry you through tomorrow.

Let every beam of treatment be guided by His healing hand. May His presence calm your heart, steady your mind, and fill that room with peace.

Tonight, rest knowing this:“The Lord is my light and my salvation—whom shall I fear?”
He is God Almighty.
You are covered in prayer, surrounded by love, and held safely in God’s care. Tomorrow is not a day of fear — it is a day of courage, hope, and healing. 🙏

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@marvelous20250 Thank you for your inspiring and uplifting words. So much so that when I get home I'm going to print them and frame it so I can read them every day, not just during this time of cancer, but always. They give us strength going into this. God bless you for this compassionate response.

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@fitzhealthacct2025
Speak to a radiation oncologist. Urologists are not trained to be radiation oncologists.

SBRT radiation that is isolated to the prostate probably can do this. If they have to radiate the lymph nodes, that’s a problem. IMRT radiation does a much wider area and may not be possible. An RO can tell you much more.

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@jeffmarc
Thank you for the feedback Jeff. I really appreciate it.

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