SFN, looking for advice, symptoms, possible positive biopsy,

Posted by holly427 @holly427, Feb 25 7:40pm

I’m new here, I posted this in a response to another post I believe. Not what I meant to do.

Hello! I came upon this forum when researching Small Fiber Neuropathy. I developed symptoms in March of 2025 out of nowhere. I was crafting and sitting Indian style on my floor, and my lower leg fell asleep, only it didn’t wake up when I changed positions. I will admit I waited a few days before going to the MD as I was a bit embarrassed to say that this was what happened. My family doctor thought maybe I irritated a nerve as it was only in 1 lower extremity. He prescribed a 5 day course of steroids. I took these and my symptoms exploded by the time I finished I had symptoms in my other leg and both hands/forearms. My symptoms thankfully aren’t painful yet. I have burning/cold sensations from my knee down on both legs and in my hands and forearms. Plus the pain sensation is decreased in all these areas. I went back to my pcp and he ordered an EMG with nerve conduction on all 4 extremities, however the neurologist that I went to said it isn’t normal to do all extremities and asked me which one was the worst and he did my leg and arm on that side. These results were normal. Which raised concerns that it might be MS given my age and I’m female. My pcp ordered a full set of MRIs. It didn’t show any signs of MS. It did show some other back things, so they sent me to a neurosurgeon. He told me that he wasn’t sure my symptoms were caused by my back and if you randomly MRI people’s whole spine you will find lots of people have these things. He had me do a cervical nerve block and stated if my upper extremity symptoms got better then it was probably spine related. I wasn’t completely sold on this line of thinking, but went ahead and did this procedure. It went well, however instead of getting rid of my symptoms it again exacerbated them and I had my symptoms in my back and chest for a few days, then thankfully this went away. When I went back the to NS, he still pushed to do neck surgery “to see if it works” I said no, as that made no sense to me to trial neck surgery when you told me you don’t think it’s the cause and you told me my lower spine findings definitely weren’t the cause of at least 1 side of my symptoms since it was only on the other side. He prescribed me Gabapentin to try. I took the first bottle, I couldn’t tolerate to get to the highest dose, it made me so tired and super foggy in the brain. He also hinted that he didn’t believe my symptoms were real. I have chosen not to go back to this MD and asked for a neurology referral as a second opinion. This is around October 2025 by now. My symptoms are pretty much the same in type, except I randomly smell cigarette smoke, no one in my home smokes, I actually got up in the middle of the night ready to bust my kids, but they were sleeping. It comes and goes randomly. I googled this and it’s a type of hallucination. I mentioned this to my doctors, but everyone blew it off. My symptoms continue to spread further up on my extremities. The neurologist listened to my symptoms etc. and immediately said we should do a punch biopsy this sounds like SFN. And if it is we will do lots of testing to see if we can find the underlying cause. I did the biopsy, waited the couple weeks for the results, and then got a call that said that my results weren’t convincing for SFN. When I said ok and asked what was next, he said nothing, he couldn’t do anything else for me and told me to go back to my pcp. My pcp tested me for vitamin B12 deficiency, my B12 was 466 so mid range normal, but my folate was elevated. When I read up on this it said a high folate could mask a B12 deficiency, but when I asked my pcp. He said my results were fine. So, I have been dealing with my symptoms and no explanation since that time. I had a follow up with my pcp this month and asked to be referred for a second opinion as I have now developed that pins and needles sensation in my left hand. I then followed up to get my actual test results from the neurologist as I hadn’t actually seen my biopsy results, I just had the message from him, when I got them yesterday it showed that my thigh biopsy was normal, but my calf biopsy was slightly below the normal range listed on the paper. The paper results said it’s consistent with SFN. I did more research and found that it’s not unheard of for length dependent SFN to have this result. I reached back out to the neurologist to clarify why he thought it wasn’t convincing of SFN. His nurse called me today and said that since my thigh was normal and my result on my calf wasn’t less than 3, that it’s not convincing of SFN and I probably don’t have it. I have scoured all things SFN between yesterday and today and I think he’s wrong. Everything I read and all the symptoms I’m having point directly to this. I am so frustrated and concerned that I have some underlying serious condition I am unaware of and no one wants to help me. They just keep telling me sometimes we just don’t know. I’m not buying that when I haven’t been tested for all the things that could cause my symptoms and the fact that these were a sudden onset and not a gradual onset. I don’t have any underlying health conditions that I’m aware of, no DM, no heart issues, Etc. the progression in the last 11 months has been rapid.
Did anyone else go through this battle to find an answer and any advice on who to go to next to get some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.

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Profile picture for bealillie @bealillie

Neuroplastic pain is caused by different mechanism, it's caused by the brain and neural pathways, turning on in the absence of tissue injury, but the actual sensations of pain can be just as real (and at times actually worse as I've had the experience and many of my body practitioners will tell you) they pain due to structural causes. Methods for treating are different. They use pain, processing therapy, emotional processing, mindfulness, another method to help the retrain the brain to a reinterpret pain. Some people respond better than others, but I find it can never hurt to add that as an adjunct. Look up Howard schubiner MD.

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@bealillie - Thought I would share this link that lists several other discussions on the topic of Neuroplasticity - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/search/discussions/. I think Barry @user_che214927 may have some experience with brain neuroplasticity and neuropathy.

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Profile picture for celia16 @celia16

@holly427 , I see. I ask because too much B6 can cause neuropathy. My neurologist warned me of that.

Also, post covid symptoms vary. I’ve had my share, but am not certain covid is the culprit.

As far as testing….based on what I’ve read, unless it’s medications or a vitamin deficiency that can be corrected, determining the cause won’t help, because they will only treat for pain anyway. For many patients, it’s idiopathic. This is just my understanding of it. I’m no expert.

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@celia16 I have been tested and you are right, there is only pain management at present. I was told perhaps my autoimmune diseases could have triggered the neuropathy. Research is ongoing for neuropathy caused by diabetes and chemotherapy recipients.

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@celia16
They didn’t check these things right at the time, but I get an annual physical and my BS and HgA1c are always normal. I did have COVID way back when it was running rampant, twice. But no issues since. They didn’t test B6 only B12. I wasn’t taking meds when it started, I now take vitamins.

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@holly427 another thought - look closely at your family members. My SFN symptoms started in my 50’s with my feet, although I can identify neurological issues much further back than that. One of my sisters, who is very secretive and probably doesn’t have a doctor, has admitted to many of the same symptoms I have ( burning pain, loss of activities). My Dad, who is now 94, has nonchalantly mentioned a lifetime of fasiculations in his lower legs, and other clearly Neuro related pains and oddities. My grandfather had to stop farming in his 40’s because of “nerve issues “.
I had genetic testing which was inconclusive, but I was told then that new genomes are always being uncovered.

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Long-term, undiagnosed, vitamin B12 deficiency can CAUSE neuropathy (and, at the very least, contribute to it)!!! This is especially true if you have elevated folate, which is masking the vitamin B12 deficiency. WHEN THIS HAPPENS, IT IS CALLED "FUNCTIONAL" B12 DEFICIENCY. Your B12 numbers can actually be within range or low-normal, but your body cannot use the B12 the way it was intended. This is what happened to me and it went undiagnosed 7 years. I now have irreparable nerve damage. You should feel markedly better after several weeks with the B12. I had no idea how debilitating the complications from B12 deficiency could be. You should look at some of the youtube videos on "Long-term complications from b12 deficiency", and see if those line up with what you're experiencing. If you are like me, and think you may have "functional" b12 deficiency, ask your physician for an MMA (methylmalonic acid) blood test. If he is dismissive comma tell him you are happy to pay for it out of your pocket ( it won't come to this, it lets them to know that you are serious and if you were to have another physician, write the order for it. And it came back positive, it would reflect very poorly on them for dismissing it out of hand). I had to insist with my neurologist and I told him I would pay for it out of my pocket. Of course, I didnt have to but when it came back positive (and was the root cause of my small fiber neuropathy damage) my neurologist was backpeddling. Hope this helps. Best of luck

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I have a few suggestions based on my health history. I was also tested for SFN and it was negative. I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and FND (Functional Neurological Disorder). Since Mayo requires flying I opted to go to Cleveland Clinic. Both of these hospitals have Neurologists that can probably help you look for answers.

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how did you get help at the Cleveland Clinic

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how did you get help at the Cleveland Clinic

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@tim028
I thought my problem was severe stenosis in held four and five compressing my nerves. I made an appointment online and I saw Dr. Shelck he felt my problem was not from my spine and recommended. I see a muscular Neuro doctor. He did an EMG, which came back negative. I had to request to do a skin biopsy to see if I had small fiber, neuropathy, which I do. He just basically left it. There was nothing to do but the technician that did the EMG Recommended, ICA Functional Medicine doctor which I did last week and I think she’s going to help me quite a bit.

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@tim028
I thought my problem was severe stenosis in held four and five compressing my nerves. I made an appointment online and I saw Dr. Shelck he felt my problem was not from my spine and recommended. I see a muscular Neuro doctor. He did an EMG, which came back negative. I had to request to do a skin biopsy to see if I had small fiber, neuropathy, which I do. He just basically left it. There was nothing to do but the technician that did the EMG Recommended, ICA Functional Medicine doctor which I did last week and I think she’s going to help me quite a bit.

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@mistymom , please post your progress.

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