How Important Is Having A Full Bladder During Radiation Treatment?

Posted by thanks4sharing @thanks4sharing, Mar 3 9:22am

My worse nightmare happened right on the radiation table a week ago. I'd drank down two 16 oz bottles of water back-to-back (something I never normally do), encouraged by the techs, trying to ready myself for the procedure. Near 30 minutes later when I got on the table to be pre-scanned, then zapped, my bladder felt full, very full.

Right in the middle of the procedure, I had an extreme urge to "turn on the fire hose" and had to strain fiercely to control myself. Unable to control the urge any longer, I yelled out "I need help!" The three technicians doing the procedure in a different room showed up asking what the problem was. I told them and they gave me a urinal. I walked to the bathroom to empty it and returned to re-do the procedure.

The biggest thing that shocked me about the entire ordeal though, was me being told by the lead technician that my "bladder was not full." She said it in a "disappointing way," as if to say "it was not full enough to do the treatment in a proper way."

If that's the case, it may never be, given that I tend to have "low bladder capacity" that feels like it fills quickly and then wants to empty. I'm afraid the same thing's going to happen on my next round of radiation.

It's my understanding that a "full bladder" helps shield the small intestines from radiation. With this in mind, is it almost absolutely necessary to have one during the procedure?

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@brianjarvis Thanks you very much for sharing this Brian. Unfortunately, it does not appear that my medical team is as dutiful to what you've shared.

More worrisome is that the tech who could visibly see the imaging of the situation emphatically explained that the bladder was not full, but this morning when I receive a call from radiation oncology and bring this up, I am told that "it was full enough" to do the treatment.

So it goes from the imaging tech being concerned about it to the point of being bothered by it, to "well, it was full enough to do the treatment."

In my medical history, I've been a patient in endocrinology, orthopedics, primary care of course, and ophthalmology. Have never felt unsure about doctors in these departments.

But in radiation oncology, I find myself needing to "sleep with one eye open" if I take a nap in a chair there.

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@thanks4sharing Man you have the self-advocacy thing right! They will run over us and take our last dollar if given chance.

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Perhaps sip it over 15 -20 minutes rather than guzzling it. Makes sense that if it hits all at once you might have an issue. Nothing like 5 techs watching you pee in a bottle. Even had a guy trying to push me off the table in the process.

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I was sent home twice during radiation treatment because my bladder was not full enough according to the technicians.

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I was sent home twice during radiation treatment because my bladder was not full enough according to the technicians.

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@lsk1000 Jeez, sent you home? Like a punishment?
At Sloan, guys were always seen sipping water in the changing room because their bladders were not full enough; so they were told to drink more and they’d be seen in 20 mins or so. And so they got the next patient in line on the table…easy peasy.
Your RO team has hopefully learned how to manage a schedule!
Phil

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@lsk1000 Jeez, sent you home? Like a punishment?
At Sloan, guys were always seen sipping water in the changing room because their bladders were not full enough; so they were told to drink more and they’d be seen in 20 mins or so. And so they got the next patient in line on the table…easy peasy.
Your RO team has hopefully learned how to manage a schedule!
Phil

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@heavyphil I’m thinking because they were backed up. They did allow me to drink in-house and slip me in later presumably when the schedule allowed.

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Interestingly, I was not required to empty my bowels for my 20 rounds of radiation therapy to the prostate in 2022 (60 gy total), just to arrive with a full bladder. I still ate lightly before appointments, though.

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@northoftheborder My oncologist appears to be unconcerned with possible bowel problems EXCEPT for constipation which would likely interfere with placement of the spacer balloon.

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My husband has been diagnosed with Gleason 9 prostate cancer. His PSMA PET/CT shows that he has a very high grade cancer but it is contained within prostate.
I have watched many videos posted on this Non-Profit to educate prostate cancer patients about the treatment and its side-effects). A known medical oncologist, Dr. Mark Scholz and several others give out valuable information in these videos. Nowhere in these videos I heard that one has to drink 16 oz of water before radiation.
According to the videos radiation oncologists typically use a bio-absorbable hydrogel spacer (most commonly SpaceOAR) or Barel gel as a barrier to protect the rectum during prostate radiation treatment. This gel is injected between the prostate and rectum to create a $\sim$1.2 cm (half-inch) buffer, significantly reducing radiation dose to the rectum and minimizing side effects. The most recent product used as a barrier is called Bio Protect and like the two mentioned above it is biodegradable.

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My husband has been diagnosed with Gleason 9 prostate cancer. His PSMA PET/CT shows that he has a very high grade cancer but it is contained within prostate.
I have watched many videos posted on this Non-Profit to educate prostate cancer patients about the treatment and its side-effects). A known medical oncologist, Dr. Mark Scholz and several others give out valuable information in these videos. Nowhere in these videos I heard that one has to drink 16 oz of water before radiation.
According to the videos radiation oncologists typically use a bio-absorbable hydrogel spacer (most commonly SpaceOAR) or Barel gel as a barrier to protect the rectum during prostate radiation treatment. This gel is injected between the prostate and rectum to create a $\sim$1.2 cm (half-inch) buffer, significantly reducing radiation dose to the rectum and minimizing side effects. The most recent product used as a barrier is called Bio Protect and like the two mentioned above it is biodegradable.

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@ambika

My radiation team provided a penis aluminum/foam lined clamp to help with holding urine before radiation. Worked well with no damage to Mr. Johnson. A full bladder is critical to protect bowels and bladder tissues from possible burning with a radiation treatment. I too found it really hard to hold without this little clamp.Especially after drinking the quarts of water as directed before RT.

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My husband has been diagnosed with Gleason 9 prostate cancer. His PSMA PET/CT shows that he has a very high grade cancer but it is contained within prostate.
I have watched many videos posted on this Non-Profit to educate prostate cancer patients about the treatment and its side-effects). A known medical oncologist, Dr. Mark Scholz and several others give out valuable information in these videos. Nowhere in these videos I heard that one has to drink 16 oz of water before radiation.
According to the videos radiation oncologists typically use a bio-absorbable hydrogel spacer (most commonly SpaceOAR) or Barel gel as a barrier to protect the rectum during prostate radiation treatment. This gel is injected between the prostate and rectum to create a $\sim$1.2 cm (half-inch) buffer, significantly reducing radiation dose to the rectum and minimizing side effects. The most recent product used as a barrier is called Bio Protect and like the two mentioned above it is biodegradable.

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@ambika Hydrogel is to protect the RECTUM. Drinking water and having a full bladder does 2 things: it protects the bladder due to the density of the water; it also causes the bladder to push much of the large intestine back and out of the way of the radiation.
FYI, Dr Scholz is nice to listen to but he omits a LOT of important details, especially the nitty gritty that is vital for successful treatment.
Phil

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My partner is currently doing a RT treatment 12/37 so far. I see the pamphlet in the waiting room for the spacer gel that can be inserted but he was never given it or offered it. Is it too late? Why would they not inject him with the spacer gel?

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