@nycmusic oh will check later... I hear what you are saying ... nature/nurture.... genes etc etc. My Mum went through a lot born duirng ww2 , dad died when she was 4 her Mum in the early 1900s working hard to feed 4 children etc etc... My Mum never complained had to be tough those days but she was a marshmallow inside. Dad.. well those days "feelings" were never discussed!