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For those who don't want to skim the whole article linked in the previous post, here's the core finding ("CNS" == central nervous system):
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The new-onset rates for commonly observed CNS effects were as follows:
Apalutamide (n=253):
Fatigue: 7.5%
Falls: 6.7%
Pain: 5.1%
Dizziness: 5.1%
Weakness: 3.6%
Headache: 3.2%
Darolutamide (n=544):
Fatigue: 7.9%
Falls: 10.3%
Dizziness: 6.1%
Pain: 5.7%
Weakness: 5.3%
Enzalutamide (n=645):
Fatigue: 9.6%
Dizziness: 5.1%
Pain: 9.1%
Falls: 5.1%
Weakness: 6.7%
Across all categories, apalutamide consistently demonstrated the lowest or near-lowest rates of new-onset CNS effects, with enzalutamide demonstrating the highest rates for many events.
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https://www.urotoday.com/conference-highlights/suo-2025/suo-2025-prostate-cancer/165194-suo-2025-real-world-assessment-of-new-onset-central-nervous-system-conditions-in-patients-with-non-metastatic-castration-resistant-prostate-cancer-treated-with-apalutamide-darolutamide-or-enzalutamide.html
my 2 cents: last July, I was prescribed Orgovyx and Erleada together...I took both about 3 weeks...over 5 weeks, I went to the ER 3 times from the horrible side effects ( heart palpatations, nausea, fatigue, appetite loss) ...finally, my RO suggested I drop Erleada ( funny how these drugs have an ethnic name ring to them )..at any rate, I stopped everything for about 10 days.. then went back on Orgovyx and finally, oncology team /insurance approved Nubeqa...and since then, no real problems with tolerating the two drugs..and so far, PSA has dropped dramatically from 61 to < .01- in about 5 months. SO for me, Nubeqa was dramatically better...I suspect both work very well, but you cant take what you cant tolerate, right ?
Now, going on 8 months, Hot flashes are really main side effect followed by some transient fatigue and sleep issues at times.
( thanks to Jeff Marchi for suggesting Nubeqa as alternative-I would have never known to ask for it)
@xahnegrey40 and @northoftheborder, I merged your 2 discussions on the same topic into this discussion:
- ARSI PR wars: Nubeqa (Bayer) vs Erleada (J & J) lawsuit https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/arsi-pr-wars/
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Yes. The interesting thing is that a big study (not from J&J) just came out contradicting Bayer's claim that Nubeqa causes fewer cognitive issues (like brain fog) than other -lutamides. J&J could have leaned into that instead of pushing their own hastily-assembled study:
https://www.urotoday.com/conference-highlights/suo-2025/suo-2025-prostate-cancer/165194-suo-2025-real-world-assessment-of-new-onset-central-nervous-system-conditions-in-patients-with-non-metastatic-castration-resistant-prostate-cancer-treated-with-apalutamide-darolutamide-or-enzalutamide.html
Of course, any individual patient might do better on one -lutamide than another, but AFAIK, this is the first big real-world assessment (RWA) that looked at whether Nubeqa's hypothetical benefit actually panned out in real life.