SFN, looking for advice, symptoms, possible positive biopsy,
I’m new here, I posted this in a response to another post I believe. Not what I meant to do.
Hello! I came upon this forum when researching Small Fiber Neuropathy. I developed symptoms in March of 2025 out of nowhere. I was crafting and sitting Indian style on my floor, and my lower leg fell asleep, only it didn’t wake up when I changed positions. I will admit I waited a few days before going to the MD as I was a bit embarrassed to say that this was what happened. My family doctor thought maybe I irritated a nerve as it was only in 1 lower extremity. He prescribed a 5 day course of steroids. I took these and my symptoms exploded by the time I finished I had symptoms in my other leg and both hands/forearms. My symptoms thankfully aren’t painful yet. I have burning/cold sensations from my knee down on both legs and in my hands and forearms. Plus the pain sensation is decreased in all these areas. I went back to my pcp and he ordered an EMG with nerve conduction on all 4 extremities, however the neurologist that I went to said it isn’t normal to do all extremities and asked me which one was the worst and he did my leg and arm on that side. These results were normal. Which raised concerns that it might be MS given my age and I’m female. My pcp ordered a full set of MRIs. It didn’t show any signs of MS. It did show some other back things, so they sent me to a neurosurgeon. He told me that he wasn’t sure my symptoms were caused by my back and if you randomly MRI people’s whole spine you will find lots of people have these things. He had me do a cervical nerve block and stated if my upper extremity symptoms got better then it was probably spine related. I wasn’t completely sold on this line of thinking, but went ahead and did this procedure. It went well, however instead of getting rid of my symptoms it again exacerbated them and I had my symptoms in my back and chest for a few days, then thankfully this went away. When I went back the to NS, he still pushed to do neck surgery “to see if it works” I said no, as that made no sense to me to trial neck surgery when you told me you don’t think it’s the cause and you told me my lower spine findings definitely weren’t the cause of at least 1 side of my symptoms since it was only on the other side. He prescribed me Gabapentin to try. I took the first bottle, I couldn’t tolerate to get to the highest dose, it made me so tired and super foggy in the brain. He also hinted that he didn’t believe my symptoms were real. I have chosen not to go back to this MD and asked for a neurology referral as a second opinion. This is around October 2025 by now. My symptoms are pretty much the same in type, except I randomly smell cigarette smoke, no one in my home smokes, I actually got up in the middle of the night ready to bust my kids, but they were sleeping. It comes and goes randomly. I googled this and it’s a type of hallucination. I mentioned this to my doctors, but everyone blew it off. My symptoms continue to spread further up on my extremities. The neurologist listened to my symptoms etc. and immediately said we should do a punch biopsy this sounds like SFN. And if it is we will do lots of testing to see if we can find the underlying cause. I did the biopsy, waited the couple weeks for the results, and then got a call that said that my results weren’t convincing for SFN. When I said ok and asked what was next, he said nothing, he couldn’t do anything else for me and told me to go back to my pcp. My pcp tested me for vitamin B12 deficiency, my B12 was 466 so mid range normal, but my folate was elevated. When I read up on this it said a high folate could mask a B12 deficiency, but when I asked my pcp. He said my results were fine. So, I have been dealing with my symptoms and no explanation since that time. I had a follow up with my pcp this month and asked to be referred for a second opinion as I have now developed that pins and needles sensation in my left hand. I then followed up to get my actual test results from the neurologist as I hadn’t actually seen my biopsy results, I just had the message from him, when I got them yesterday it showed that my thigh biopsy was normal, but my calf biopsy was slightly below the normal range listed on the paper. The paper results said it’s consistent with SFN. I did more research and found that it’s not unheard of for length dependent SFN to have this result. I reached back out to the neurologist to clarify why he thought it wasn’t convincing of SFN. His nurse called me today and said that since my thigh was normal and my result on my calf wasn’t less than 3, that it’s not convincing of SFN and I probably don’t have it. I have scoured all things SFN between yesterday and today and I think he’s wrong. Everything I read and all the symptoms I’m having point directly to this. I am so frustrated and concerned that I have some underlying serious condition I am unaware of and no one wants to help me. They just keep telling me sometimes we just don’t know. I’m not buying that when I haven’t been tested for all the things that could cause my symptoms and the fact that these were a sudden onset and not a gradual onset. I don’t have any underlying health conditions that I’m aware of, no DM, no heart issues, Etc. the progression in the last 11 months has been rapid.
Did anyone else go through this battle to find an answer and any advice on who to go to next to get some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.
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Hey Holly, I’m not sure if I responded to 1 of your other posts, but my story is similar to yours. It seems that no known cause for this type of thing is pretty common. My slightly numb feeling in my feet, (right first, then left and occasional nighttime numbness in my hands, depending on the way I sleep) came about suddenly. I had the MRI, EMG, blood tests, etc. and still have no real answers. Most of the doctors 2 neurologists, orthos, hand specialist, podiatrists, endo, say it’s not neuropathy. Shocking….because I have had type 1 diabetes for many years, though usually well managed.
You mentioned phantom smell. I had that too for about 6 months, plus loss of smell and taste disorder. Phantom smell resolved for me.
I’m not sure what caused mine or even what it’s called, but it’s improving. So….does that mean it’s not neuropathy? Idk. It’s frustrating.
I suspect the doctors aren’t too intent on confirming a cause since there is no real treatment. Meds just help with pain, which I don’t have, thank goodness.
My question is why is the numbness in my feet now about 70% less than it used to be? My hand numbness hardly ever happens now, even though I no longer sleep un arm brace. I pray it continues to improve. My taste disorder has improved too. So, I am encouraged.
Are you able to exercise? Just how numb is your numbness? I had full sensation, even at its worse, but it still bothered me lot. I cried daily over it. Now, it’s barely noticeable.
Hey, thanks for sharing. I can feel pressure, and I have a cold burning sensation in my bilateral feet/ shins up to my knees. It’s the same in my hands about half way to my forearms. I have had some occasional issues with dropping things. Mine is there all the time. The phantom smell comes and goes, I have noticed that this symptom is more prevalent at night. I do exercise a couple days a week. I thankfully don’t have pain either. I hope yours continues to improve. Good Luck to you!
@holly427 , that is such a mystery. Did you have covid? Did they check your blood sugar? Did they check your B6? Did they review all your meds and supplements?
Hi all-
My story sounds similar to some of you, Burning pain, numbness, tingling, let down my legs. all my tests were negative. I do have some orthopedic issues in tendinitis and chrondomalcia but and I also have swollen ankles for no real reason which looks like a lymphedema, but no medical reason.. So I will suggest in which some of you may not find useful, but it’s just another avenue which I’ve been going down and it hasn’t really been helping me, but I find a lot of support and it is in the mind body medicine. All has its origins In the ratings of Dr. John Sarno, Who originally wrote about back pain but whose ideas could be used for other conditions as well.
Currently, there is lots of research on neuroplastic pain being conducted. A good website is from the association for the treatment of neuroplastic symptoms ATNS, symptomatic.me is the website.
It’s a good website to look at and see if there’s practitioners that are in your area or if any of that ideas speaks to you. . There’s also a lot of information on YouTube from the various physicians that are that run it and numeros pain coaches that offer lots of resources online. Just a thought, especially if nothing else is working.
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@bealillie , I’ve considered this possibly. How does neuroplastic pain differ from that due to functional illness?
Neuroplastic pain is caused by different mechanism, it's caused by the brain and neural pathways, turning on in the absence of tissue injury, but the actual sensations of pain can be just as real (and at times actually worse as I've had the experience and many of my body practitioners will tell you) they pain due to structural causes. Methods for treating are different. They use pain, processing therapy, emotional processing, mindfulness, another method to help the retrain the brain to a reinterpret pain. Some people respond better than others, but I find it can never hurt to add that as an adjunct. Look up Howard schubiner MD.
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They didn’t check these things right at the time, but I get an annual physical and my BS and HgA1c are always normal. I did have COVID way back when it was running rampant, twice. But no issues since. They didn’t test B6 only B12. I wasn’t taking meds when it started, I now take vitamins.
@bealillie thanks for the information. I will keep it tucked away once I’ve exhausted testing, etc. I am still at the point that I’m trying to make sure there isn’t some underlying issue causing this as I can’t get anyone to test me for the things that might cause SFN. I will research this though, as I’m curious what it says about how this comes to happen that the brain suddenly stops processing pain reception properly.
@holly427 , I see. I ask because too much B6 can cause neuropathy. My neurologist warned me of that.
Also, post covid symptoms vary. I’ve had my share, but am not certain covid is the culprit.
As far as testing….based on what I’ve read, unless it’s medications or a vitamin deficiency that can be corrected, determining the cause won’t help, because they will only treat for pain anyway. For many patients, it’s idiopathic. This is just my understanding of it. I’m no expert.