Chronic Back Pain for Years

Posted by jlfisher56 @jlfisher56, May 2, 2017

6 back surgeries (extensive cervical and lumbar fusions) with neurological complications. Left with chronic pain. Accident happened in Nursing career 1992 and worked with first fusions until 1999 (failed fusions). At my age, and as a former nurse educator, I never wanted to had to rely on medication/s for the severe pain. Having thoroughly exhausted exploring sites using non-pharmaceutical methods, using psychological methods, biofeedback, trying to accept my limitations, i.e., I still believe somewhere...out there...is hope. The strong medicine has caused gastroparesis, further complicating my health problems. They are too numerous to write and I will not focus on them. I am looking for "help" and guidance. If I can be of assistance to anyone throughout their trials, (perhaps similar to some of what I have gone through), I will.

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@pfbacon

Yes to all of you -- we need better pain meds. How do we get them? We need to take action, write, call and email the big pharma companies -- get data first, then tell them how many millions of people need better pain meds than anything available now. They can afford to do the necessary research. Nearly all elderly people need pain meds daily, plus most people who are disabled, everyone who has chronic back problems, nearly everyone who has arthritis, everyone coming out of surgery needs pain meds for at least a few days. It should add up to enough people to make it worth their while to do the research, tests, get FDA and Medicare approval, manufacture, and advertise the product. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, we won't get it if we don't ask for it. And we won't get it if we rely on someone else to write -- all of us need to write/email/phone the big pharma companies. And our politicians too (they can lean on the companies and also help them pay for the up-front costs). Peggy

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@pfbacon hear! Hear! We do need to do this. Also, we are not sheep needing to be told what to do. We know our bodies--pains, good qualities, etc. and can and should be proactive in our health decisions
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@pfbacon

This weekend, I'll find out who the big pharma companies are and who my politicians are and commit to writing to all of them. You too? Peggy

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@pfbacon could you please pass along any info you obtain. I too will start writing. I live day to day with pain like (not like, I am) a lump. Just breathing through the pain.

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@jimhd

@bustrbrwn22

Do you know what the options are for treating sciatica?

Jim

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@jimhd Not many options for sciatica. I saw a neurosurgeon who said surgery would help but cognitive behavioral therapy would. I have done that. Over the past 5+ years I have tried every stretch, antidepressant, anti seizure, chiropractic, dry needling, physical therapy, acupuncture, etc. I am still in the early stages of myofascial therapy and I have hope. I saw another pain dr and because of black box warning can’t prescribe benzodiazepines with opioids. That is all that works for my conditions. My husband and I have talked at length and if it would give me some semblance of a life I wish I could make the decision of taking the meds. In the over 4 years I’ve taken a pain killer my dosage has never gone up. I am in bed again today crying because the sciatica hurts so bad. I don’t think a pain pump is an option for sciatica.

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@wsh66

I at one time had access to as much opioids as I felt was neccesary. Very compassionate Doctors at a pain clinic. They were not enough to control my pain but were too much to allow me access to my ful l intelligence. 266 mgs. per day. The equivalent of about 1000 morphine mgs., the comparison pain docs and pharmacists use.

Finally, after 1 year with no infections I could have my pump put in. Chemo had destroyed one lung and I couldn't risk any surgery. Now my morphine mgs. Rate is about 100. 4mgs. plus .9mgs. gives me much better pain management than the large oral doses ever did and with none of the side effects. No constipation, clear head and my own sparkling personality back. I still live with pain and always will but at least it's manageable. I am as much of an advocate for opioid use as you will find but oral drugs are not the way to go. 1mg. of a drug delivered directly to your spinal fluid is as much as 300 times more effective as 1mg. taken by mouth. I'm getting the benefit of a much as 1500mgs. of Dilaudid per day, (Dilaudud is much more powerful than morphine and second only to Fentanyl). That dose orally would kill me. You cannot eat enough pain meds to control pain long term. I am living proof that it does not work.

The other great thing about the pump is that no one has any suspicions about your motives or your doctors practices. Oral meds work for a time but as your body adjusts you will need larger and larger amounts and eventually they won't work at all except to make you stupid. If pain is a feature of your life that you expect will not go away, look into getting an intrathecal pain pump. Find a good neurosurgeon as threading the catheter up your spinal chord is definitely a neat trick. Big pharma could care less about seniors and politicians are as useful as teats on a boar pig. Get a pump!

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@lisa7777 is having a pain pump implanted major surgery? Where is it implanted?

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@bustrbrwn22

@jimhd Not many options for sciatica. I saw a neurosurgeon who said surgery would help but cognitive behavioral therapy would. I have done that. Over the past 5+ years I have tried every stretch, antidepressant, anti seizure, chiropractic, dry needling, physical therapy, acupuncture, etc. I am still in the early stages of myofascial therapy and I have hope. I saw another pain dr and because of black box warning can’t prescribe benzodiazepines with opioids. That is all that works for my conditions. My husband and I have talked at length and if it would give me some semblance of a life I wish I could make the decision of taking the meds. In the over 4 years I’ve taken a pain killer my dosage has never gone up. I am in bed again today crying because the sciatica hurts so bad. I don’t think a pain pump is an option for sciatica.

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@jimhd I made a typo. The neurosurgeon said surgery would not help and given where my nerve is compressed it is very risky.

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@bustrbrwn22

@jimhd Not many options for sciatica. I saw a neurosurgeon who said surgery would help but cognitive behavioral therapy would. I have done that. Over the past 5+ years I have tried every stretch, antidepressant, anti seizure, chiropractic, dry needling, physical therapy, acupuncture, etc. I am still in the early stages of myofascial therapy and I have hope. I saw another pain dr and because of black box warning can’t prescribe benzodiazepines with opioids. That is all that works for my conditions. My husband and I have talked at length and if it would give me some semblance of a life I wish I could make the decision of taking the meds. In the over 4 years I’ve taken a pain killer my dosage has never gone up. I am in bed again today crying because the sciatica hurts so bad. I don’t think a pain pump is an option for sciatica.

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@jimhd

I apologize for butting in on your conversations but... I have some info. to share that may help some of you. Long story short, I fell in 2003 and have terrible back pain and sciatica ever since. I was just labeled a chronic pain patient because after all the MRI's, tests, numerous doctors, etc. they still couldn't come up with a specific diagnosis... until 2018. The fall caused Tarlov cysts to form in my sacral area along with a tethered cord. The tethered cord has been pulling on my spinal cord all these years causing a ton of pain and they cysts have been compressing the sacral nerves causing havoc on everything below the waist.

After being on some of the forums and talking to people like yourselves I kept coming across Dr. Forest Tennant. I checked out his websites and I couldn't stop reading. I think I read everything on both sites. Over all it seems like the first step we all need to do is control the inflammation. He offers so much valuable info. for you to print out and take to your doctor plus a self help protocol. I have replaced naproxen with tumeric and have added palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) and pregnenolone to may normal medications. I have to say that I've only been taking these things for about 3 weeks and I can tell a slight difference in my pain already. Here is an article on the palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) that I think everyone in pain should read and try. If you don't want to read all the scientific stuff then scroll down to where it talks about them treating specific patients with it in their clinic. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3500919/ It has been found to work just as well, if not better than opioids for pain and it's just a supplement!!

Dr. Tennant has 2 websites, http://www.arachnoiditishope.com and http://www.intractablepain.com Even if you don't believe you have either of these things please read as the info. he provides helps all pain.

Best wishes for you all!

Terri

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@qball2019

@jimhd

I apologize for butting in on your conversations but... I have some info. to share that may help some of you. Long story short, I fell in 2003 and have terrible back pain and sciatica ever since. I was just labeled a chronic pain patient because after all the MRI's, tests, numerous doctors, etc. they still couldn't come up with a specific diagnosis... until 2018. The fall caused Tarlov cysts to form in my sacral area along with a tethered cord. The tethered cord has been pulling on my spinal cord all these years causing a ton of pain and they cysts have been compressing the sacral nerves causing havoc on everything below the waist.

After being on some of the forums and talking to people like yourselves I kept coming across Dr. Forest Tennant. I checked out his websites and I couldn't stop reading. I think I read everything on both sites. Over all it seems like the first step we all need to do is control the inflammation. He offers so much valuable info. for you to print out and take to your doctor plus a self help protocol. I have replaced naproxen with tumeric and have added palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) and pregnenolone to may normal medications. I have to say that I've only been taking these things for about 3 weeks and I can tell a slight difference in my pain already. Here is an article on the palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) that I think everyone in pain should read and try. If you don't want to read all the scientific stuff then scroll down to where it talks about them treating specific patients with it in their clinic. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3500919/ It has been found to work just as well, if not better than opioids for pain and it's just a supplement!!

Dr. Tennant has 2 websites, http://www.arachnoiditishope.com and http://www.intractablepain.com Even if you don't believe you have either of these things please read as the info. he provides helps all pain.

Best wishes for you all!

Terri

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@jimhd i started PEA yesterday and Alba s been taking alpha lipoic acid for about 3 weeks. Also doing myofascial therapy. I wonder how long it might take to feel any change

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@bustrbrwn22

@jimhd Not many options for sciatica. I saw a neurosurgeon who said surgery would help but cognitive behavioral therapy would. I have done that. Over the past 5+ years I have tried every stretch, antidepressant, anti seizure, chiropractic, dry needling, physical therapy, acupuncture, etc. I am still in the early stages of myofascial therapy and I have hope. I saw another pain dr and because of black box warning can’t prescribe benzodiazepines with opioids. That is all that works for my conditions. My husband and I have talked at length and if it would give me some semblance of a life I wish I could make the decision of taking the meds. In the over 4 years I’ve taken a pain killer my dosage has never gone up. I am in bed again today crying because the sciatica hurts so bad. I don’t think a pain pump is an option for sciatica.

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Why wouldn’t a pain pump be an option for sciatica pain?

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@qball2019

@jimhd

I apologize for butting in on your conversations but... I have some info. to share that may help some of you. Long story short, I fell in 2003 and have terrible back pain and sciatica ever since. I was just labeled a chronic pain patient because after all the MRI's, tests, numerous doctors, etc. they still couldn't come up with a specific diagnosis... until 2018. The fall caused Tarlov cysts to form in my sacral area along with a tethered cord. The tethered cord has been pulling on my spinal cord all these years causing a ton of pain and they cysts have been compressing the sacral nerves causing havoc on everything below the waist.

After being on some of the forums and talking to people like yourselves I kept coming across Dr. Forest Tennant. I checked out his websites and I couldn't stop reading. I think I read everything on both sites. Over all it seems like the first step we all need to do is control the inflammation. He offers so much valuable info. for you to print out and take to your doctor plus a self help protocol. I have replaced naproxen with tumeric and have added palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) and pregnenolone to may normal medications. I have to say that I've only been taking these things for about 3 weeks and I can tell a slight difference in my pain already. Here is an article on the palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) that I think everyone in pain should read and try. If you don't want to read all the scientific stuff then scroll down to where it talks about them treating specific patients with it in their clinic. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3500919/ It has been found to work just as well, if not better than opioids for pain and it's just a supplement!!

Dr. Tennant has 2 websites, http://www.arachnoiditishope.com and http://www.intractablepain.com Even if you don't believe you have either of these things please read as the info. he provides helps all pain.

Best wishes for you all!

Terri

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When you to intractablepain.com it says the website is for sale.

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For anyone that tried the link to Dr. Tennant's Intractable Pain website, I gave you a bad link. Here is the correct one... Sorry about that! https://intractablepainsyndrome.com/

@jimhd
ALA is another one that is recommended. If you want to try these supplements please print the info. and ask your doctor if they would be open to trying these them and ask if it's OK to take them with your current meds. I strongly suggest trying Dr. Tennant's protocol first though. I would also recommend looking for an interventional pain management doctor, that's what I did and it opened up new hope for me rather than just returning to my other doctor every month for pain medication refills. It gets so old when it really doesn't help you to get any better. This doctor does a full metabolic panel and hormone tests every year. The results are very eye opening. She prescribes ketamine troches 100mg up to 3X per day as an alternative to opioids. IT WORKS FOR NERVE PAIN!!! If anyone is interested in seeing her, her website is https://www.hypermobilitymd.com/medical-services Her main specialty is EDS patients but she also treats people with all kinds of painful conditions. She sees people from all over the U.S. both in person and via televisit. I always saw her in person. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "Office Policies and Procedures" for contact info.

The pregnenolone (Dr. Tennant) stresses the importance of this) is a huge one! He says people in pain typically have low pregnenolone levels. This is the mother of all hormones and greatly affects pain levels. If your hormone levels are low your body has no chance to fight against the inflammation and pain. My level came back at a 6 and normal levels are 22-123.

My physical therapist recommends getting in a pool and doing some floating to relax everything and slow walking just to keep everything moving.

I have read that it takes anywhere from a month to 6 months or so to feel the full affects of some supplements so be patient and don't give up.

Here is an article I found with kind of an RX (supplements) for nerve pain:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/complementary-medicine/200811/eliminate-nerve-pain-naturally
(quote from this article)
The good news is that nerve pain is very treatable. Many studies have shown that using nutritional support with lipoic acid 300 mg 2x day, Acetyl-L-Carnitine 2,000 mg a day, Inositol (500-1,000 mg a day), and vitamins B6 (50-100 mg a day) and B12 can actually help heal the nerves and decrease or eliminate the pain. Nerves take time to heal, so natural remedies need to be taken for 3-12 months. In the interim, holistic pharmacies can make powerful creams combining multiple medications effective against nerve pain (available by prescription from ITC Pharmacy at 303-663-4224; called the nerve pain gel). These are rubbed over the painful areas, and can be very effective after 1-2 weeks of use. Being rubbed on the skin though, the total dose to the rest of your body is very low, making it largely side effect free! Other medications can also be very effective.

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