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Puzzling about PSA rise 7 years after prostatectomy

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You ask the "question of all questions": "What’s more: how do I know the 0.12 is caused by the development of cancerous cells, not the good/healthy residual tissues of the prostate?" And "@brianjarvis" offered: "my urologist (not the one who performed the surgery) said that many times ‘some’ benign prostate tissue is left behind in nerve sparing surgery…" This is true.
The challenge, whether normal/healthy or cancerous tissue, is that a PET scan will not show anything. There are not enough cells for the Gallium-68 uptake to occur to the point of the PET scan's sensitivity ("ability") to detect it and enumerate it, to say "yes, your cancer has returned." So, you will not know if the prostate cancer-specific Gallium 68 is not detected because your body hasn't made enough of those cancer cells yet, or, if the tissue is in fact healthy and does not take up the Gallium 68 (remember, Gallium-68 is only taken up by cancerous tissue because there is a molecule specific to cancerous prostate tissue that is not found in healthy prostate tissue).
This is the exasperating feature of prostate cancer for which no one has an answer. I think however, that your physician will err on the side of the PSA being produced by cancerous tissue.

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@rlpostrp Yes, a PSMA PET scan (no matter whether Gallium68, Pylarify, or Posluma) will have difficulty detecting prostate cancer when PSA is very low (see attached chart), which is why they sometimes wait until the PSA is 0.4+ (following prostatectomy) to be certain before doing anything aggressive. (But, waiting that long is tricky…..)

As it turns out, PSMA (prostate specific membrane antigen) is not really “prostate specific.” There are other organs, tissues, and fluids that naturally express PSMA (without being cancerous) and will show up as physiologic tracer uptake (i.e., “light up like a Christmas Tree”) on a PSMA PET scan - particularly in the lacrimal (tear) and parotid (salivary) glands, blood, liver, spleen, pancreas, ganglia, and more, as well as the kidneys, ureters, bladder, and urethra (as the body tries to quickly excrete the radioisotope that was injected).

At low (but concerning) PSA levels, with a PSMA PET scan they may be able to see if the body is simply expressing naturally-occurring background (“normal”) levels, or whether there is a recurrence somewhere. It takes a trained, experienced eye to see this, so choose the best.

PSMA PET scans typically do out-perform the older, pre-PSMA PET scans (F18-FDG, F18-NaF, Choline C-11, and Axumin). Yes, PSMA is that good of a marker.

However (as you allude) with lack of PSMA expression, PSMA PET is sometimes as blind as a bat. In those instances, it’s often beneficial to fall back and use one of those older pre-PSMA PET scans.

Mayo Clinic regularly falls back to Choline C-11 in those cases. Others use F18-FDG if they believe that the recurrence is advanced but PSMA expression too low to be detected or if the prostate cancer is PSMA-negative (which 15% of the time it is). (Insurance no longer covers FDG-NaF.)

The pre-PSMA PET scan that’s more often used in these instances is the F18-Fluciclovine PET/CT (trade name: Axumin® that was FDA approved in 2016).

Axumin doesn’t rely on PSMA. Axumin works by exploiting the fact that prostate cancers absorb amino acids at a much more rapid pace than normal cells. Axumin is made up of a radioactive tracer linked to an amino acid. Cancer cells absorb the amino acids more avidly than normal cells, so when Axumin is used, the radioactive tracer concentrates inside the tumor cells. When the patient is imaged, the areas that have a high concentration of the imaging agent signal the location of the cancer in the patient’s body.

Insurance still covers Axumin. In these instances it’s always worth discussing this with one’s medical team and see if they’ll consider it.

@rlpostrp Ditto everything you said, which is why the PSA velocity remains the most important indicator of BCR.
Men with no prostates - even those with a small amount of ‘benign’ tissue left behind - do not exhibit marked PSA velocity. Only malignant cells will cause these rapid doubling times since they divide much more rapidly than normal cells.
Phil

@rlpostrp You actually answered my question! I do appreciate!
My urologist referred me to a radiation oncologist whom I am to meet next week. I’ll remember what you have said and err on the side of caution in dealing with the possible BCR.