Living with PN, do you find yourself retreating from life?

Posted by Ray Kemble @ray666, Jan 18 4:00pm

Hello!

That's right, I'm the fellow who asked that we revive the discussion "What have you done to improve balance?" Today, I've another question. (Like many of us PNers, I'm full of questions. 🙂 ) Have any of you found yourself retreating from outside activities? Retreating from friends? Turning down invitations to do things that in the past you would have jumped at the opportunity to do? I find myself doing more and more of this lately. I have large-fiber PN, so I've no pain but plenty of balance issues––and in recent weeks, my wobbliness seems to have gotten even worse. It breaks my heart to see friends less and less. I know I need to accept the challenge of going places and doing things, joining in with my friends, and––generally speaking––living a fuller life. But it's hard. Pride is the stumbling block, I know that. And I know that the answer is being honest with my friends: stop saying I can't go because I have some imaginary head cold, and instead say, "Look, Jim, I want to join you, but it's going to be dark at 7 p.m. and you've got a lot of uneven sidewalks out front. If you'd be willing to meet me out front and help me to your front door, then for sure I'll be there." That's just a hypothetical scenario, but it's that sort of upfront honesty with my friends ("…If you'd be willing to meet me out front and help me…") that I'm trying to develop. My issue is balance, but I'm sure those of you whose issue is pain have similar moments when you'd like to retreat and not say yes. I'd love to hear from PNers who have struggled with retreating and won. What were your techniques?

Cheers!
Ray (@ray666)

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@bjk3 Barb - Since my wife passed away, my adult kids suggested (insisted!!) that I have a fall monitor device. Mine looks like a watch and can be worn in several ways. No home monitor, mine works on cell services and has a built in GPS. Cost less than $100 to purchase and monitor service is about $40 per month and works anywhere I go. I've been 400 miles from home, bumped it and within seconds, it sent off a notice to the 24/7 monitoring service. You may have one, but I thought this would mention this to benefit others as well. Ed

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@njed HI This is Bashful Bob thanks for sharing . That device sounds great for older folks alone That tend to fall alot. I found the the older we get the more we tend to slide our foot across the floor and that is dangerous. I sugested to many folk to get someone to assist them in learnibg to walk like we used to as kids. Come down on the heel and roll off the toes. I had to pratice that my self I will 90 in a couple mo and a few years ago I found myself starting to slide my foot. Then I remembered my military training on how to walk. If I fall now it is because I'm not looking at what is ahead of me. Good luck and I hope you get better. bashful Bob

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@njed HI This is Bashful Bob thanks for sharing . That device sounds great for older folks alone That tend to fall alot. I found the the older we get the more we tend to slide our foot across the floor and that is dangerous. I sugested to many folk to get someone to assist them in learnibg to walk like we used to as kids. Come down on the heel and roll off the toes. I had to pratice that my self I will 90 in a couple mo and a few years ago I found myself starting to slide my foot. Then I remembered my military training on how to walk. If I fall now it is because I'm not looking at what is ahead of me. Good luck and I hope you get better. bashful Bob

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@quietriver Hi Bob....turning 90 soon, that is great!!! Due to PN, I also have drop foot left and right and wear AFO's which enables me to walk without my toes getting caught under resulting in a serious tripping issue. Yes, the fall detection device is, in my opinion, affordable and provides a level of safety in the event of a serious fall. If living alone, it is something to consider. Ed

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I'll second what Ed says about these devices. Mell, my partner, who died last year, was the one who insisted I get one. At the time, she was facing what sounded like never-ending chemo sessions; in other words, hours when she'd be away from home and I'd be home alone. Well, now I really am home alone, and I wear my medi-alert wristwatch every day. Like Ed, I've only set it off two times, both times by accident. The first time, I knew Id set it off and was able to assure the ChatBot voice (who called in a split second!) that I was okay. The other time I'd set it off I didn't know I had and somehow hadn't heard the ChatBot voice asking if I was okay. A minute or two passed when my phone started to ring. My first thought? Another sales pitch! When it rang for the third time I thought I'd better answer. I'm glad I did! It was Denver EMT Services calling: a 'real"––and genuinely concerned person wanting to know if I needed help. I said no and apologized for their having to call. (I'm doubly glad I answered my phone. If I hadn't, the next event would have been the arrival of fireman, axes in hand, ready yo smash down my door. 🙂 ) I mentioned all this as a salute to these med-alert devices. They really work! ––Ray

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@ray666 That was yet another thought I had… how would emergency workers get in if you’re unable to give them the code to get in? I very often leave public bathroom doors unlocked because I’d rather have people be able to get in quickly to help me in an emergency vs the shock of somebody walking in on me while I’m trying to quickly do my business. But I’m really not keen on leaving house doors unlocked!

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@ray666 That was yet another thought I had… how would emergency workers get in if you’re unable to give them the code to get in? I very often leave public bathroom doors unlocked because I’d rather have people be able to get in quickly to help me in an emergency vs the shock of somebody walking in on me while I’m trying to quickly do my business. But I’m really not keen on leaving house doors unlocked!

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@dbeshears1 Deb - I have dead bolts and knob locks, and one key fits all locks. I decided to place a lock box with one working key near entrance door where anyone responding to an emergency would need to enter. The fall detection company (in my case, they are in Calif) has the 4 numbers needed to open lock box. Also, if I would lock myself out...bingo! I can get in, not that it's ever happened!! Ed

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@ray666 Hi, Ray. Just wanted to extend my condolences on the loss of your partner. Grief is a struggle even in the best of circumstances. But when you add in the disability of the PN and the balance issues, it DOES seem to create limits to our socializing with friends. I paint, and I take a class once a week with a teacher, and that is the extent of my socializing. I attend as much for the social interaction as for the instruction. The balance issues have not yet stopped me from getting out and about to run errands as needed. But most of my outings are for medical appointments, just like others here! I did start back at the gym this week. I only went twice and I only did 30 minutes on the exercise bike each time. But I know I need to approach it slowly. Eventually, I hope to attend some exercise classes like chair yoga and aerobics. They have aquacize classes every day, and I need to try those, too. I've heard good things from people who have attended them regularly. Like so many others, I need accountability to keep me going regularly. I hope the CBT counselor will be a help for you! Wishing you the best! Mike

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Hello, Mike. How've you been? It's been a while since we last crossed paths here in the forum. Thank you for your condolences. I'm doing reasonably okay. Now, that word "reasonably" should come with an asterisk. I've mostly manageable days, but then, every so often, I'll have a day –– or part of a day –– that is a little less manageable. I suppose all this is to be expected. You're right:
adding PN's disabilities (in my case, untrustworthy balance) doesn't help matters. It's primarily (if not entirely) my cruddy balance has me concerned –– and why I started a forum discussion about social "withdrawal." I realized I was guilty of social withdrawal. I was most fortunate that, when my partner died, our friends clustered 'round, and they remained close for a remarkable amount of time. (I used to kid: for a time, my fridge was overloaded with tuna casseroles. 🙂 ) Eventually (and understandably), the time came for our friends to refocus on their own lives. Yet they are still good about dropping by, or phoning, ordinarily to ask me if I'd like to do this or that. In the past, my partner and I would most often say "yes;" lately, however, I've heard myself saying "no," or worse: equivocating ("Oh, gosh, I don't know. Lemme see how I'm feeling that evening… ") That's when I knew I was withdrawing. And I knew that, if I kept withdrawing, eventually my friends would conclude: "I guess Ray would rather enjoy his solitude … " When I'd think that's what my friends would soon be thinking, I'd want to scream: NO! Rationally, I'd know what to do to remain "engaged" with my friends, but then I'd hear my PN whispering in my ear: "You'll know you'll have an easier time of it, Ray, if you'll just stay at home." Arrrrgh! 🙂 Okay, enough of this. Good for you for getting back to the gym! That's the ticket! That's the only crowd-proven way to stop the worsening of PN: keep in motion! Move, move, move! (I say this, and now I think I'd best close this post and MOVE about some. 🙂 I've been sitting at this laptop too, too long.) Cheers, Mike! ––Ray

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@ray666 That was yet another thought I had… how would emergency workers get in if you’re unable to give them the code to get in? I very often leave public bathroom doors unlocked because I’d rather have people be able to get in quickly to help me in an emergency vs the shock of somebody walking in on me while I’m trying to quickly do my business. But I’m really not keen on leaving house doors unlocked!

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Good point, Debbie. When I was setting up my medi-alert wristwatch, the company's instructions suggested a lockbox on the front door, with the code available to first responders. I've not done that (a lockbox). I realize I'm creating an obstacle to anyone who has good reason to get in. That's one obstacle I've not given thought to. The temps lately have been in the single digits, with nighttime temps below zero. Not wise to make a fireman have to demolish a front door! ––Ray

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@ray666 I'm fortunate, I guess, not to have such an issue with balance. Though I'm still relearning my gait after having bilateral Achilles tendon ruptures at Christmas, '23. Thank you fluoroquinalone for destroying the tissue in both tendons. I had the first tendon rebuilt in June, and the other in December, '24. After months of therapy I had a knee replacement, more PT and gait & balance work.

I have small fiber pn, technically CIDP, so I'm the one with the pain from my toes to my knees.

To answer your original question, yes, it has affected my lifestyle. A couple of times a day I lie down in my bed to calm down the pain in my feet. I don't walk more steps in a day than necessary. If a store has an electric shopping cart, I use it and immediately become invisible to other shoppers. They walk right in front of me and hog the aisles. I have to yield to pedestrians. One of these days I'll work up the nerve and take the right of way and let them deal with it.

We don't get out of the house much, except for groceries and doctor appointments and church. No more hiking or backpacking 🥺. If I have to walk very far I use my cane. It also helps to use my walker, as it takes some of the pressure from my feet, but I only use that at home. I'm grateful for the ramp my neighbor built when my Achilles tendons ruptured. I still use it. When I have groceries to carry in, I use my garden cart up the ramp, through the house, to the kitchen. Stairs are not good if I'm carrying something.

I'm thankful that I don't have problems with balance like you and many others, but let me tell you, PN pain is hard, both physically and emotionally. I wish there were a cure.

Jim

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As you say, Jim: "I'm thankful that I don't have problems with balance like you and many others, but let me tell you, PN pain is hard, both physically and emotionally." If I had had a choice (of course, I didn't), I'd have chosen my large-fiber PN with its balance miserable uh-ohs, rather than PN with pain. I've no doubt what you're enduring –– and so many others, too –– is hard, both physically and emotionally. In time, with chiefly bad balance with which to contend, you develop techniques": go slow, hold on, use a cane or a walker, ask for help when help is needed. In those ways, large-fiber PN becomes at least marginally manageable. // I wish you the very best, Jim! Thanks for posting! ––Ray

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@bjk3 Barb - Since my wife passed away, my adult kids suggested (insisted!!) that I have a fall monitor device. Mine looks like a watch and can be worn in several ways. No home monitor, mine works on cell services and has a built in GPS. Cost less than $100 to purchase and monitor service is about $40 per month and works anywhere I go. I've been 400 miles from home, bumped it and within seconds, it sent off a notice to the 24/7 monitoring service. You may have one, but I thought this would mention this to benefit others as well. Ed

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@njed Hi, Ed - Thank you for taking the time to comment - I appreciate it, and this lapse in answering is unintended. It has been some kind of a month for me with new OS and with my laptop in general. Grrr..
Actually I do have a monitor. I've had it for about 3 years. Mine is called Medical Guardian and is worn around the neck, has GPS, and runs $429. for 12 months. I don't believe there was a purchase price - I'm thinking it is leased, as I received a newer model about a year and a half ago. I guess there are watches that don't need to be taken off for charging but mine does have a charging station. I have read on Connect that a lot of people like their watches but that is not an option for me, as any stricture around the waist drives my carpel tunnel and peripheral neuropathy crazy. I'm real happy with the model I have, and actually got it for my kids' sakes more than my own, so that they wouldn't have that nagging fear in the back of their minds wondering if I'm all right. My oldest daughter-in-law found this model after I gave her a list of options I wanted as well as those I didn't want. She's an awesome finder!
You're right - it's helpful to share information about things that others who are reading along may find beneficial. Thanks again, Ed! ~ Barb

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@njed and @bjk3, I had one of those days last Tuesday and ended up in the ER for six stitches because I'm no blood thinners and I couldn't stop the bleeding. I had my first really hard fall in a long time and the first one in inside the house, in the kitchen. Not sure how it happened other than I turned around and my feet seemed to be stuck on the floor at the time my body wanted to go the other way. Took about 3 steps trying to regain my balance and then the hard fall followed by my Apple watch screaming Fall Detected, calling 911. I was more concerned about trying to cancel the call than I was seeing my glasses laying next to me with bent frames and a lens that popped out. Spent the morning cleaning the blood off of the floor and trying to stop the bleeding with gauze and bandages. Tried to see my local family clinic but they told me because I was on blood thinners I had to go to the ER and I'm kind of glad they did now.

Back to the balance exercises and maintaining mobility!

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@johnbishop Hi, John -
I'm really sorry to read about your recent fall - been having lots of issues with my laptop and fell way behind in staying current here. I had no trouble understanding what happened the way you described it. Seems the later in the day it is, the more my feet decided they are planted where they are and just don't care to be bothered to move. So stubborn.
Hope you are mending well now that it's a few days later. Prayers for you, John, ~ may God keep you safe. Barb

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@ray666 That was yet another thought I had… how would emergency workers get in if you’re unable to give them the code to get in? I very often leave public bathroom doors unlocked because I’d rather have people be able to get in quickly to help me in an emergency vs the shock of somebody walking in on me while I’m trying to quickly do my business. But I’m really not keen on leaving house doors unlocked!

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@dbeshears1 Hi, Debbie -
Gosh, it's good to have our paths cross again! I took a several-week hiatus around the holidays and then got a new OS which is driving me bonkers. A few years ago, my youngest son put a door lock with code on my front door for the same reasons you and Ray (@ray666) did, with one additional reason. If the electricity would go off while I am out for an appointment, etc., I can't operate the garage door opener. Then, of course I can't get into the walk-in door in back of the garage without its special key, which I don't carry with me. Four years ago when I fell and broke my hip, I was able to give the code to the dispatcher. Back home several weeks later, my kids wanted me to look into a device with GPS, and that was when I got my wearable monitor. So grateful for these wireless wonders! Prayers for your safety, Debbie! ~Barb

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