50 and Full of Life. Need advice. TULSA or HIFU or what?

Posted by cxracer @cxracer, Jan 12 8:46am

We're all here for the same reason, so I'll try to keep my introduction short.

I'm 50, still very young (IMO), full of energy, extremely active, healthy, and have a satisfying and active sex life with my wife. I began chasing increasing pelvic and low back pain in mid-late 2025 that I attributed to bicycle riding and racing. PSA scores of 6.2 and 6.6, followed by CT, MRI and biopsy confirmed Gleason 3+4 cancer, (Favorable Intermediate). Local urologist is a surgeon and recommends surgery / removal. Local oncologist is a radiologist, refers to it as Unfavorable Intermediate, and recommends EBRT and ADT (hormone therapy).

I'm an analyst by trade and don't like either of these options, due to their side effects directly impacting my quality of life, which I hope to be as long as possible.

I'm working with my local urologist and insurance company (BCBS) to provide me with an approved out-of-network referral to Mayo (Rochester), and in the meantime have a Mayo consult scheduled for Jan 15th. I have no idea what treatment options will be recommended, but I pray to God they're better than the two antiquated ones that have been recommended locally.

TULSA looks extremely promising to me, as well as HIFU, and I believe I am a qualified candidate for both.

Are there specific questions you all suggest I ask in my consult? Any other treatment options I should ask about specifically? Do you need me to provide additional specific info about my cancer in order to provide quality feedback?

Thanks in advance, and I've already gleaned a ton of info from reading may of the discussions here.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.

Profile picture for hammer101 @hammer101

Great to see that you are doing a lot of research to decide on your treatment plan. I was five years older than you when I was diagnosed with Gleason 7 (4+3) and had to assess my life goals and treatment options. My highest goal was life for 30+ additional years free of prostate cancer, with continence 2nd and erectile function 3rd.

I ended up deciding on a radical prostatectomy at a center of excellence, Mayo-Rochester. If you want the best possible outcome and least chance for negative side effects (incontinence, ED, infections, etc.), you must go to a center of excellence for the treatment plan you chose. In addition, it is vital to do your research on the surgeon/oncologist/etc. to ensure you have the best possible and most experienced doctor. I did not want the department head, best instructor, or the surgeon who wrote the best books. Rather, because I chose surgery, I wanted the most experienced surgeon, who had done thousands of successful robotically assisted radical prostatectomies. This surgeon was doctor Igor Frank at Mayo-Rochester. What an amazing individual and surgeon. When I first met with him, he did not push surgery but rather wanted to ensure I chose the procedure that best aligned with my situation.
As I said, I was 55 when diagnosed. Also, I was/am very fit, very active, eat healthy, and not overweight - From my research, this does make a difference in outcomes and potential negative side effects. For my situation, there were absolutely no long term side effects . Obviously, immediately after the surgery, there was some incontinence, but this subsided and was tackled over about two months - I kept a pad underneath me at night for several months, but this was more to make me feel comfortable in case unexpected incontinence occurred. Doing all of your post surgery physical therapy is crucial. I did not do professional PT, but rather did my own at home. For myself, I had no erectile disfunction at all. Unwanted night time erections with the catheter were not comfortable, but tolerable.

Good luck with your treatment decision and I pray all goes well for you.

Jim

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@hammer101 I had my Mayo consult late this morning. RP (surgery) is the best and basically only viable option that they recommended for me. Thank you for your feedback. I will review doctor Igor Frank at Mayo-Rochester, and see if I can get scheduled with him, if he's still there.

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@cxracer

Just watched a good video. You can search for it on youtube.

Dr Geo podcast

What is HIFU, How it works & Who’s the best patient for this treatment - 158

Dr Matthew Cooperberg was very good.

He stated a few times:
- Focal therapies like HIFU will be better (most of the time) for the patient as far as incontinence and erection.
- There is no 10-15 year data to compare risk of cancer reoccurrence (Focal Therapy vs RP). His words are much better than what I just wrote.

For me, it was a good informative video.

Best Wishes.

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@cxracer

Just watched a good video. You can search for it on youtube.

Dr Geo podcast

What is HIFU, How it works & Who’s the best patient for this treatment - 158

Dr Matthew Cooperberg was very good.

He stated a few times:
- Focal therapies like HIFU will be better (most of the time) for the patient as far as incontinence and erection.
- There is no 10-15 year data to compare risk of cancer reoccurrence (Focal Therapy vs RP). His words are much better than what I just wrote.

For me, it was a good informative video.

Best Wishes.

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@charlesprestridge
I have always leaned toward TULDA Pro. I even applied for the clinical trials but didn’t make it. I would choose TULSA over HIFU if I had the money but nobody will accept Medicare and my plan G supplement as payment. They all want $30K or more to do it. Ssd

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@charlesprestridge
I have always leaned toward TULDA Pro. I even applied for the clinical trials but didn’t make it. I would choose TULSA over HIFU if I had the money but nobody will accept Medicare and my plan G supplement as payment. They all want $30K or more to do it. Ssd

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@tdoriausername
You might check again. This is from AI

Medicare coverage for the TULSA-PRO procedure in Tulsa is evolving, with new CPT codes effective January 2025 enabling potential coverage, especially when performed in hospital settings, though it's often treated as an outpatient service, and providers might bill separately, leading to out-of-pocket costs, so confirming with your specific provider and Medicare is crucial.

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@charlesprestridge
I have always leaned toward TULDA Pro. I even applied for the clinical trials but didn’t make it. I would choose TULSA over HIFU if I had the money but nobody will accept Medicare and my plan G supplement as payment. They all want $30K or more to do it. Ssd

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@tdoriausername

You also may want to confirm you are a candidate for Tulsa Pro.

I sent medical records and had a phone consultation (no charge) with one of the leading Doctors (Dr Scionti).

My smaller prostate size, lesion size, and lesion location excludes me from being a candidate. I think the concern is having enough distance between urethra (where cooling is occurring for protection) and the lesion. Dr did not feel I was a good candidate.

It took less than two weeks for me to go thru that evaluation process.

Then you can know if getting financial approval for insurance coverage is needed.

Best Wishes

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@heavyphil Late prostate cancer metastasis to bone is typically treated with Xofigo (Radium-223) or Pluvicto (Lutetium-177) if it’s systemic.

I’ve never heard of HIFU being used for that purpose. But, for an isolated bone lesion it makes sense (instead of surgery or SBRT) - HIFU is targeted, non-invasive, & can be repeated if needed.

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@brianjarvis Yeah, that’s what I mean…it does make some sense - BUT have you ever really heard of it being used?
And I wonder if the insurance company would even cover it once they went thru their litany of parameters and exclusions!😉

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@charlesprestridge
I have always leaned toward TULDA Pro. I even applied for the clinical trials but didn’t make it. I would choose TULSA over HIFU if I had the money but nobody will accept Medicare and my plan G supplement as payment. They all want $30K or more to do it. Ssd

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@tdoriausername What are your reasons for saying you would chose Tulsa Pro over HIFU?

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@tdoriausername
You might check again. This is from AI

Medicare coverage for the TULSA-PRO procedure in Tulsa is evolving, with new CPT codes effective January 2025 enabling potential coverage, especially when performed in hospital settings, though it's often treated as an outpatient service, and providers might bill separately, leading to out-of-pocket costs, so confirming with your specific provider and Medicare is crucial.

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Thank you. That was helpful information.I appreciate your response.

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@tdoriausername What are your reasons for saying you would chose Tulsa Pro over HIFU?

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@service1010 HIFU does not seem as precise in delivery of the Ultra Sound. TULSA Pro probe will cool the urethra and the colon to avoid damage to those areas while heat from the probe can be adjusted in its intensity, which allows for more accurate ablation. The technician/physician can actually see the heat markers on screen and adjust according to the shape and size of the lesion. Heat can be turned up in one area while turned down in another and the heat signatures on screen can tell the technician where to adjust. I just think one has a better shot of getting the entire lesion or lesions ablated with TULSA Pro than with HIFU. This is just my layman's opinion after my own research.

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@tdoriausername
You might check again. This is from AI

Medicare coverage for the TULSA-PRO procedure in Tulsa is evolving, with new CPT codes effective January 2025 enabling potential coverage, especially when performed in hospital settings, though it's often treated as an outpatient service, and providers might bill separately, leading to out-of-pocket costs, so confirming with your specific provider and Medicare is crucial.

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@jeffmarc Do you know if the TULSA Pro procedure is performed at the Mayo Clinic in Phoenix, Arizona?

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