Cyclists and prostate cancer

Posted by ozelli @ozelli, Mar 19, 2024

is it my imagination or do a disproportionate number of cyclists comment on prostate cancer message boards?

Not a joke. I have been involved in a variety of sports from sailing to rugby and have indeed met a few cyclists over time but it just seems to me that on a % basis, there is more than the average here on this message board.

Has anyone else had similar thoughts? I am thinking their PSA levels may be naturally elevated over time. Probably mistaken but doesn't hurt to ask.

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Profile picture for xahnegrey40 @xahnegrey40

@jc76 that is what I was told for a bout 8 yrs ( when I got my physical from about 2014 onward) - "dont worry about PSA /Prostate cancer..if you get it and are over 65, they usually dont even treat it !"

Also a bike rider ( just 2-3 mi neighborhood rides usually x 2-3 times daily)

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@xahnegrey40
Exactly what was being told to us men.

And you know the same comments remain like, "you will die from something else." How does any doctor know when you are going to die or the risk and aggressive level of PC without biopsies AND the follow up test that give a better risk level to patient and doctor (Decipher, PSMA, etc.)

You ride 2-3 times a day and 2-3 miles. So you are getting some good miles there. I find bike riding just makes me smile like I was a young boy again.

Hay as I get older getting hard to train for those Sprint Triathlons. The are usually only 12-15 miles but I try to train for them doing 20 miles with added weights on my bike. After my PC I find myself just wanting to take my hybrid bike out and do a liesure and comfortable ride.

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@chippydoo
Agree,
Before I started seeing my present Mayo PCP my previous doctors were "do you want the PSA test" it is voluntary.

Then my present PCP did a lot of research when he was going through medical school and internship and really took an interest in being up on what was current being seen.

The medical institution I agree made huge mistake not recommending PSA test anymore and then finding a sudden rise in stage 4 because were not catcthing at stage 1.

If my PCP was not adamant about not liking my rise of PSA regardless of my PSA being under normal I would NOT have caught my PC early and had the options I did.

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@jc76 My PCP didn't like my 1 point rise to 3 and gave me cipro thinking I might have an inflamed prostate. Committed to taking it and after a couple of weeks decided to go to a urologist. He found my tumor during the DRE. Great hearing these younger guys are rethinking the no PSA stand. A friend of mine with BPH had to demand his PCP give him a PSA test so those guys are still out there. Sadly so.

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@drcopp
I really agree with your post and reply: "I will ask my Dr. about bike riding and see what his advice is." Exactly what a poster on MCC should do when reading experience of others. I am glad you posted that reply.

Only your doctors not those on MCC have examined you and have your complete medical history and are medical professionals to give you specific advise and guidance on what to do and not do.

I agree the biopsy is going to give you Gleason Score not PSA. PSA is just what one poster posted some time ago that it is like a "check engine light." Need to check prostate gland.

And your doctor gave you really accurate medical advice. It is the rise of PSA not necesarrily the number that is of concern.

It really sounds from your post you have an excellent doctor. Good luck!

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@jc76 Yes, the Gleason score from the biospy determine at the best level of evidence, the future course of treatment. The PSA is like a check engine light, but #3 in it effectiveness in what's going on or not going on with the gland.

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@drcopp
The seat you are using helps. But my R/O, Mayo PCP, asked me not to ride a bike for a week prior to PSA test to ensure irritation did not occur to prostate from bike riding. I have a special seat on my hybrid bike that does not have a tonque and is wide with springs below it. I ride on those bones at each side.

However I follow my doctors advise which was lets make sure even with your bike seat you are not irritating your prostate as I ride for 20 miles.

I am a little confuses with you doctors discussion on PSA levels. The present PSA level deemed normal at Mayo is below 4. My PSA at 76 was 3.75 but had been rising every 3 months for over 2 years. That rise not necessarily the number at was something my PCP did not like and referred me to a Mayo uorlogist who did MRI/Contrast, MRI/Fusion biopsies, and got my Gleason Score of 3+4 and 4+3 (totals are 7) and intermediate risk.

I had good Mayo R/O and good UFHPTI R/O and combined they ordered, bone scan, Decipher, and PSMA. Bone and PSMA were negative. Decipher came back low risk not intermediate risk that Gleason score had.

I mentioned this as my PCP, urologist, and two different R/Os were all concerned with steady rise of PSA not the number it was at. I was technically under the normal (below 4) and I was 76 years old when diagnosed. Have you gotten second opinions? I cannot give medical advise but the PSA numbers you mentioned with saying normal at increasing rates is questionable to not address regardless of number if your PSA is rising and rising.

BPH can cause a higher PSA but it too needs to be addressed and is why the standard PSA test is so valuable as it not only shows your current number but if that number is steadily rising over time.

I was far under your doctors 6.5 PSA norm at age 76 with a 3.75 PSA and I had prostate cancer.

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@jc76 I was 70 with a PSA of 3.7 stage 4 PC. It went up from a 1.75 the year before. That was a surprise.
With that being said, I hope we're all discussing this in five years as it means that the stuff they're doing for us has been successful!
Cheers
Dave

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Kind of happy that the discussion has been revived. Still think that bike riding for long periods may have some correlation with elevated PSA and possible over reactions in terms of treatment for some people. The research however indicates that I am wrong……

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Kind of happy that the discussion has been revived. Still think that bike riding for long periods may have some correlation with elevated PSA and possible over reactions in terms of treatment for some people. The research however indicates that I am wrong……

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@ozelli
I don' think you are wrong in your opinion.
What my R/O at UFHPTI said to me (he has been doing proton radiation treatments for 20 years) is that everyone bodies are different. Bike riding might not affect the prostate on one person but may on another.

No one's body is exactly like another. How big the prostate is, it's location, fat, muscle, buttocks, bones, they are all different. I was told my prostate would move around if I moved during treatments and they make a specific bed for you to lay in to keep you from moving.

I had gas one day and had to go through a lot more xray and moving me around as gas in my colon was moving prostate. So to think a bike seat digging into your bottom for long times and motion back and forth would not affect prostate in some.

UFHPTI was huge on research. They just got another 25 million dollar federal grant to do long term study of radiation treatments for prostate cancer.

One of the research UFHPTI showed was taking cell protection supplements prior, during and after treatments. It was supplements that are considered oxidation protection, protection of cells, etc. My R/O said one study showed no correlation to protecting cancer cells the other study showed a correlation as would protect cancer cells as well.

UHFPTI aired on the side of saying if it was possible taking supplements could affect radiation treatments success. I am a supplement freak. I had about 6 different supplements I was told not to take. Most radiation treatments are to damage the cells of the PC. Normal cells of the prostate can repair themselves. The PC cancer cannot after damaged and eventually die.

I think the bike riding is a personal thing and personal decision as you know your own personal body make up and how bike riding makes you feel. I know many bike riders who have no issues with pain, discomfort, from race bike seats and others (like me) drives my bottom crazy with a lot of pain.

My PCP a long time ago asked me to refrain from bike riding prior to my PSA tests. As I mentioned I usually ride 20 miles and if I can do something to get a more accurate PSA test for me I chose to follow the advice.

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@jc76 Yes, the Gleason score from the biospy determine at the best level of evidence, the future course of treatment. The PSA is like a check engine light, but #3 in it effectiveness in what's going on or not going on with the gland.

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@drcopp
Exactly it is a warning sign. The warning signs says need to check why. Then you have the tests to determine what is causing it.

Bottom line don't ignore the engine light have it checked why it is on or for prostate why is rising or getting high. The light does not tell you what the problem is only tests do that it is merely a warning something is causing a rise in PSA. That something wrong warning moves to uroligist exams, MRIs, biopsies, etc. diagnoses. The engine light is not a diagnosis it is a warning have it checked.

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@ozelli
I don' think you are wrong in your opinion.
What my R/O at UFHPTI said to me (he has been doing proton radiation treatments for 20 years) is that everyone bodies are different. Bike riding might not affect the prostate on one person but may on another.

No one's body is exactly like another. How big the prostate is, it's location, fat, muscle, buttocks, bones, they are all different. I was told my prostate would move around if I moved during treatments and they make a specific bed for you to lay in to keep you from moving.

I had gas one day and had to go through a lot more xray and moving me around as gas in my colon was moving prostate. So to think a bike seat digging into your bottom for long times and motion back and forth would not affect prostate in some.

UFHPTI was huge on research. They just got another 25 million dollar federal grant to do long term study of radiation treatments for prostate cancer.

One of the research UFHPTI showed was taking cell protection supplements prior, during and after treatments. It was supplements that are considered oxidation protection, protection of cells, etc. My R/O said one study showed no correlation to protecting cancer cells the other study showed a correlation as would protect cancer cells as well.

UHFPTI aired on the side of saying if it was possible taking supplements could affect radiation treatments success. I am a supplement freak. I had about 6 different supplements I was told not to take. Most radiation treatments are to damage the cells of the PC. Normal cells of the prostate can repair themselves. The PC cancer cannot after damaged and eventually die.

I think the bike riding is a personal thing and personal decision as you know your own personal body make up and how bike riding makes you feel. I know many bike riders who have no issues with pain, discomfort, from race bike seats and others (like me) drives my bottom crazy with a lot of pain.

My PCP a long time ago asked me to refrain from bike riding prior to my PSA tests. As I mentioned I usually ride 20 miles and if I can do something to get a more accurate PSA test for me I chose to follow the advice.

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@jc76 Alpha Lipoic Acid has been shown to actually help protect prostate from PC in some studies..Google it...

It is apparent to me that even today, the prostate is a bit of a mystery..my theory is as we age, our skin/tissue becomes thinner and more prone to tears and -in some guys- the prostate sack can tear open from cycling or other activities...and since it is also known that 80% of all men will develop malignant cells in their prostate, its no wonder that in some cases, the cells are more virulent and a higher grade of cancer...

so it seems rather foolish-in retrospect- that someone decided it was better to just ignore PSA and prostate health in older men. And just when we need more scrutiny instead of ignoring this little gland...it seems to me quite an epidemic of PC nowdays in guys over 65...Stage IV PC at that.

And the remedy for this neglect is pretty horrendous...ADT radiation and radical prosectomy...

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Profile picture for scottbeammeup @scottbeammeup

That was the most frustrating part of my treatment (spaceoar, SBRT, ADT). I was told to just continue living my normal life except no biking for six months and from a support group I learned sex would be difficult or impossible. Those are my two favorite "normal life" hobbies 😃 😃 😃

Several friends said that my lifetime of cycling may have caused my prostate cancer but most research doesn't seem to back that up.

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@scottbeammeup I don’t believe there is any evidence that cycling increases cancer risks. It does cause a transient elevation of PSA confusing the interpretation of an elevated result. For that matter, recent sexual activity with ejaculation also can elevate the PSA, but unrelated to cancer risks

My RO said I could resume cycling a month after completing SBRT as long as it was not causing me discomfort. I have a gel cushion seat and wear a cushioned cycling bib when I ride.

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Right, Scott, any moderately vigorous exercise will temporarily elevate our PSA.

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