Anyone dealing with Atypical Ductal Hyperplasia (ADH)?

Posted by EJ @elsajohnson, Aug 7, 2018

I am sorry if this is not the right forum. I know ADH is not cancer and this is a breast cancer forum, but I can't find another forum that may be more relevant.

I am wondering if there is anyone who is dealing with ADH or has been diagnosed with ADH that can share their experience. I was diagnosed a month ago. While I am relieved that I don't have cancer, I am confused with the radiology report that shows BI-RAD6 - surgical removal is recommended. I have seen a breast oncology surgeon and I don't think she took me seriously because I don't have cancer. It almost feels like I wasted her time seeing her because I don't have cancer. If ADH is no big deal, why BI-RAD 6 (which i understand is for biopsy proven malignancy). I also read up about ADH online and understand that with ADH, my risk for breast cancer is 4x. Should I not worry about it and just do annual check? Should i see another breast surgeon? Should I see an oncologist? Do I need genetic testing to better understand my risk? I feel like an impostor for even posting this on a breast cancer forum but I am genuinely confused and concerned. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Profile picture for rivergirl76 @rivergirl76

Yes..I had breast cancer 3 years ago in my left breast and went through radiation
Last week I went for my annual mamo and something showed so I had a breast biopsy a few days ago and was diagnosed with atypical ductile hyperplasia . It's in the same breast that I had cancer in. Have an appointment next week with my Oncologist. Any thing I can learn about this would be appreciated

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@rivergirl76, waiting for the appointment with your oncologist must've been hard. What did you find out? Next steps?

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I was actually considering posting similar questions on this forum but wasn't sure it would be the right place. They found microcalcifications in a routine mammogram 3 yrs ago, I was put on a schedule of having a mammogram every 6 mths, there had been no changes, so a year ago I was released to going back to a yearly mammo. I had the mammo beginning of July, they found new microcalcifications with a dense area near them, did an ultrasound the same day, and had an opening that day to do a core needle biopsy so I took it. Didn't want to wait. The local lab had to send the biopsy to Mayo to examine and the dx was ADH. The radiologist recommended a MRI of both breasts, to make sure there were no other areas of concern, before doing a surgical excision to remove the remaining area. He referred me to a surgeon who specializes in breast cancer surgery. I had the surgery 2 wks ago, they biopsied the tissue removed and found they got all of the ADH and no cancer cells were found. I was so thankful. I asked my surgeon about genetic testing, she referred me to a genetecist. I just had the appt with him 8/6 and was told even w/o doing the testing, based upon my personal history and mostly due to the ADH dx, my chance of breast cancer went up from 12%(avg risk for my age-47) to 41%. He explained based upon that % I will require follow ups every 6mths (which the Radiologist had already indicated in his report I should have follow up MRI in 6 mos) but it also opened up other options such as bilateral masectomy or medication to lessen the chance of further changes. I am pre-menopausal and my surgeon recommended against the drugs. I am wondering if anyone else has had ADH, but not cancer, and decided to have a preventative masectomy?

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@ckf1317

Hello, I highly recommend genetic testing! It is one of the best things I ever did and gave me more information and some peace of mind. I had DCIS stage zero and genetic testing showed negative for BRCA gene and I had no history in my family of breast cancer. My pathology March 2024 report after the lumpectomy showed margins were negative/clear, negative for residual ductal carcinoma in situ and showed some residual Atypia. Atypical cells are not cancer cells but a possible indicator you may or may not develop cancer in the future. The surgeon in her report noted there was no residual DCIS, as it was ALL was taken out during the biopsies. Doctors have very different opinions about how ADH and DCIS should be treated given that there are a lot of Factors to consider. I did a lot of my own research when I got the results of mammogram, ultrasound and breast MRI and consultation with my care team at Mayo. Please continue to ask questions and seek out information and research articles. I continue to get yearly mammogram and ultrasound and a Breast MRI with contrast. My recent post surgery reports done in 2024 and 2025 were normal. Although I am waiting the results of breast MRI for 2025. It is a test that gives you more information and some peace of mind along with genetic results. Good luck to you and hope things turn out well.

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I came here to share my story after searching for similar situations here.

Screening ultrasound a few months ago found a BI-RADS 4 suspicious mass on the small side. Biopsy report didn't state ADH straight up. Comments/results said 'fragment of intraductal low-grade proliferation with mild atypia'.

The first breast surgeon I saw didn't explain anything, just said to get an MRI with and without contrast but surgery would be next step. Didn't even ask me if I had any questions before leaving the room in a hurry (she had no other patients before or after me). The appointment left me with more anxiety and questions.

I started doing research online, and found that there are recent studies that question the standard of care (surgery) as a one-size-fits all for ADH.

MRI was BI-RADS 2, no enhancement anywhere, including the biopsy site.

2nd breast surgeon was a lot more prepared, explained her thought process, and why she didn't recommend the 'text book' approach for my case, but rather to take the close-surveillance route - alternate ultrasound with mammogram + MRI every 6 months for 2 years. She answered my questions about her experience in dealing with patients with similar DX, where she thought I was on the risk spectrum, what she'd seen in practice when it comes to the results of the close-surveillance plan, etc. She talked about the benefits of the close-surveillance route vs. the risk of immediate surgery. She even talked about how she'd perform the surgery to maximize cosmetic results. It was so refreshing to talk to a specialist like her with years of experience who sounded like a normal person.

I have an appointment to see a 3rd surgeon in 2 weeks. She is getting their own radiologist and pathologist to look at the images and biopsy slides.

I feel that with these 2 surgeons I will be well covered.

All 3 surgeons are from well-respected cancer centers near me. I am very grateful that I have the access that I do. I am also grateful for online resources like the Mayo Clinic where patients find information, compassion and support from each other.

I am sharing this for others who have similar DX, who feel they are 'in-betweens' (not cancer but also not 'everything is ok') with questions and concerns about their individual care plan - not all doctors are the same, find one who listens, shows that they understand you and your case as a unique individual, and shows up being prepared to explain and answer all your questions.

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Yes, I have atypical ductal
Hyperplasia and had a similar experience. The first cancer center diagnosed me as stage 0 ductal carcinoma in situ ( DCIS) and quickly scheduled surgery. Because I was treating my heart condition at Mayo, I decided to get a second opinion there. The biopsy slides from the 1st center were analyzed by
Mayo and I got the new diagnosis of ADH. No surgery but more surveillance. I was told the condition could lead to cancer, but I am 87 years old, so I’m not a bit worried about it. If later they find it’s turned to cancer, I’ll have the lumpectomy and the radiation.
The lesson learned is to get second opinions. If my heart condition was not being treated at Mayo, I never would have gotten the 2nd opinion and would’ve had surgery last September that I didn’t need to have. Needless to say I’m so relieved.

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I was unable to take aromatase inhibitors such as Letrozole,etc or tamoxifen.. The drugs caused serious side effects for me (I'm not good with many pharmaceuticals due to my allergies. So when I was unable to take them my oncologists referred me to a homeopathic doctor and clinic. The goal was to reduce my hormones or stabilize them to more normal levels. My breast cancer was highly estrogen positive. I had a long history with hormone problems that went pretty much undiagnosed, untreated and ignored for a lifetime (severe menstrual periods starting at age 8, difficulty and illness during pregnancy, and a long and difficult menopause). Via the naturopathic or homeopathic doctor I learned (via simple blood tests) that I had virtually no progesterone to counteract the estrogen in my system. I had higher testosterone, which can 'convert' to estrogen in the body post menopause, so I was an 'estrogen bomb' waiting to explode and it did, in the form of breast cancer ultimately.
There were additional tests done to tackle my allergies and some intestinal issues. Here is what I learned:

I needed to lose weight which can cause additional estrogen production in the body. I lost 30 pounds - weight I had put on during menopause.
I cut out as much processed food as possible, cut out chemicals in my diet and started using organic and GMO free foods and eating more 'natural' foods. I, like most people, eat too much sugar. I cut back on processed sugars.
I changed shampoos, lotions and other personal care items that included PABA, which is a preservative in those items that can convert to hormones (estrogen) in your body. I use a lot of lotion and I was slathering PABA on my body a few times a day. Anything I could do to cut down on estrogen was a plus. (I still miss some of those products however......some of the more 'natural' products aren't as pleasing to me as my old 'stand bys')
I found out I was Vitamin D deficient (not something that had ever been tested). I got a prescription strength Vitamin D supplement from my doctor and continue to take Vitamin D. Vitamin D deficiency has been shown to be one factor in breast (and other) cancers. Vitamin D is less of a 'supplement' and more of a hormone in your body and is essential to proper hormone function. The best way to get Vitamin D is in the sun but often we're all trying to avoid skin cancer - so I get 15 minutes of sun per day, without sunscreen, as well. Vitamin D also helps combat depression which is so common, especially for those who have cancer.
I'm not a yogurt fan but I found a yogurt drink I have each morning that I can tolerate and any digestive problems I had were gone (after a lifetime of them) in about 6 months. Keeping your gut healthy helps your whole body function better.
I added turmeric to my diet. Tumeric has anti-inflammatory qualities and has been shown in numerous studies to help prevent cancer.
The one thing I struggle with, which I'm sure contributes to cancer, is stress. I exercise and 'try' to meditate but being seriously Type A, I know the stress I'm under and don't control well also contributes to an unhealthy immune system.
I quit drinking all alcohol (all sugar and carbs) and I sheepishly admit I was a smoker. I am now a non-smoker (hardest thing I ever did).

These are just a few of the things I changed. Of course, I still got invasive cancer but I am just about to hit my 3 year anniversary from my mastectomies and so far so good. The combination of medical care and natural methods to improve my body's natural defenses is a work in progress. My medical doctors supported all these changes and I continue to research and try to improve the metabolism and structure of my body. I come from a time when Tang and Space Food Sticks were considered acceptable foods. I really didn't have a healthy outlook on food.

Because I don't take the aromatase inhibitors I finally asked my medical team why they didn't check women's hormones regularly to see what they had going on inside their bodies. Their answer was that all the breast cancer patients were taking the drugs so there was no need. Makes sense I guess.......but a baseline of where your hormones are that are fueling the cancer (if it's hormone positive) seemed like a simple test that would give women information they need. I have blood tests for my hormone levels every six months and I have NO ESTROGEN.....NO PROGESTERONE and little or no TESTOSTERONE. I'm not sure but I think that makes me non-human, but.........no estrogen and no progesterone means less fuel for the cancer to come back. I have experienced some of the same side effects due to the hormone loss that one would get with the aromatase inhibitors - hair loss, dry skin, etc. but none of the bone pain, depression, etc. from my low hormone levels.

I'm not as strict with myself as I should be. I still like a piece of chocolate cake now and then and I wouldn't classify myself as a health nut (not that disciplined) but I feel better, look better and I continue to try to get my old body in shape for the next decade, which I hope I'll have and that will be cancer free.

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@cindylb

Hi! Cindy:

I came upon this posting of yours that dated on 8/11/2018 and was so impressed with your wisdom and perseverance of taking a systematic approach to reduce the hormones in your body. Thank you so much for sharing your valuable experience with us!

I've been taking aromatase inhibitors since early January of 2023, right after the surgery to get rid of those cancerous cells from me, because my breast cancer was highly estrogen positive - even though our types of cancer are different. As a consequence, my own body's reactions to the lack of estrogen have been aches and pains in joints, bones, hands, even numbness ..., etc., as has been well documented by others; and I have been mitigating those aches & pains via physical therapies. This is why your naturopathic / homeopathic approach interested me and gives me hope to deal with this ongoing issue. Thanks for sharing your lessons learnt! How have you been, Cindy? I sincerely hope you've been well, healthy and productively happy since you posted this entry, for I consider you to be my model of a healthy lifestyle.

Wishing you all a better journey ahead with hope, peace and love enjoying life with your loved ones!

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@cindylb

Hi! Cindy:

I came upon this posting of yours that dated on 8/11/2018 and was so impressed with your wisdom and perseverance of taking a systematic approach to reduce the hormones in your body. Thank you so much for sharing your valuable experience with us!

I've been taking aromatase inhibitors since early January of 2023, right after the surgery to get rid of those cancerous cells from me, because my breast cancer was highly estrogen positive - even though our types of cancer are different. As a consequence, my own body's reactions to the lack of estrogen have been aches and pains in joints, bones, hands, even numbness ..., etc., as has been well documented by others; and I have been mitigating those aches & pains via physical therapies. This is why your naturopathic / homeopathic approach interested me and gives me hope to deal with this ongoing issue. Thanks for sharing your lessons learnt! How have you been, Cindy? I sincerely hope you've been well, healthy and productively happy since you posted this entry, for I consider you to be my model of a healthy lifestyle.

Wishing you all a better journey ahead with hope, peace and love enjoying life with your loved ones!

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@lifetraveler
I’m a male metastatic estrogen positive cancer (spread to lymph nodes). Definitely increased joint pain, but exercise mitigates the pain quite nicely. Chi gong practice has been particularly effective at joint pain relief.

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@lifetraveler
I’m a male metastatic estrogen positive cancer (spread to lymph nodes). Definitely increased joint pain, but exercise mitigates the pain quite nicely. Chi gong practice has been particularly effective at joint pain relief.

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@oregonmbcsurvives

Hi! Thank you so much for your suggestions! I'll have to look for someone to teach me Chi-gong locally:)

Thanks again for sharing your effective experience with us!

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