Salvage radiation aftermath

Posted by makemyday1 @makemyday1, 6 days ago

Can anyone share their experience with salvage radiation/ADT after what was told to me as a very successful DaVinci surgery? I’m a 71 year old.
My RP was three years ago after a Gleason 9 tumor was discovered high on the back wall of my prostate. Prostate removal and lymph node removal showed no spread outside the prostate, however, at my 1 year anniversary my PSA was no longer undetectable, it was .37. The PCMA/ PET scan couldn’t locate any cancer, so I was given Lupron, started my 33 radiation treatments, received a second shot of “testosterone crusher”, and ended my treatments. I’ve had a hard time. Had two partial bowel blockages early on requiring hospitalization, lost 40 pounds, have had horrible hot flashes, loss of most of my continence, lots of fatigue and sleep issues.
At this juncture, three years past RP and 1-1/2 year since the radiation and ADT, I’m clinging to the hope that my cancer won’t return and my testosterone will climb back into the normal range. What are my chances of getting a little more normal? My six month PSA/ testosterone labs are tomorrow. I’ll let everyone know what the results are.

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Is everyone here posting from the USA? If so where r u from? Where do you think has the best treatment for stage 4 prostate cancer. I’m in Boston and was doing great went from a 326 PSA down to 0.6. But now I’m feeling pains in my stomach and my chest and my shoulder blade on right side. I’m scheduled for a biopsy next week. They found a mass between my 4th and 4th rib.

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@frankybaby
There are a lot of Canadians here. They don’t have a wide range of treatment options as we do in the USA.

There are even people from other countries.

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@makemyday1 I hope you will take advantage or this respite and live your full life now that your numbers have risen and are hopefully feeling better. Cancer is just one part of who we are. Our journey is pretty similar. Things have changed and radiation side effects seem never ending but figuring it out. My physical endurance and strength is slowing returning 3 months post ADT and 7 months post salvage.
Best wishes on your continued recovery.

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@chippydoo, very positive! Thank you. I had a biopsy done in Dec 2021 when this whole thing started. Was told I had “tiny cancer”, Gleason 3, and it wouldn’t be a problem to just monitor a few things. Got Dr Walsh’s book on Surviving Prostate Cancer which probably saved my life, and began my PC education. Decided a 2nd opinion was warranted and picked an up and coming prostate cancer research center in Virginia where I live. To make a long story short, my next biopsy six months later was targeted to an MRI overlay to pull samples from a very hot tumor they found high and on the backside. That was July 2022. A week later my Urology Oncologist called with the bad news, and some good news. Gleason 9, probably contained. Surgery ensued, cancer undetectable for one year, then faced with salvage radiation. I thank God I didn’t listen to my first urologist, otherwise, I’d not be writing this in all likelihood. My surgical biopsy showed containment of my cancer at Stage 3, 75% Gleason 4 and 25% Gleason 5, 11% of the prostate. I’m lucky, I have good people watching over me, and taking all this for granted won’t work for me. So thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, and just hang in there. It gets better!

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@soli
It’s true. I’ve been on ADT for almost 9 years, But people I know have absolutely no idea unless I tell them. Even with PC for 15 years, I’m very active. I run on the track a mile twice a day and it probably keeps me energized. I go to the gym three times a week just to build up my muscles which at one point I couldn’t even get off the floor, and now I can. My wife and I go swing dancing almost every weekend, Did it last night. I never get tired doing that.

I am now getting very few hot flashes, I used to get a lot. Many days I get zero or one, And they’re very mild.

I had a prostatectomy 15 years ago. 3 1/2 years later, my PSA started rising, and I Had salvage radiation. 2 1/2 years later, it came back and I went on ADT.

I am on Orgovyx and Nubeqa And it really makes it easy, No side effects from that Nubeqa, It’s even allowed me to reduce the amount of blood pressure medicine I need because of Zytiga.

I do watch what I eat very few carbs and sweets no deli meats or red meat, But even with those rules, you can have steak once a month and not worry about it.

I’ve had four reoccurrences and I’ve been Castrate resistant for six years, Going on almost 2 years undetectable. I do have BRCA2 so someday it’s going to come back.

I’ve had this so long I really don’t worry about it. It’s not something I think about.. With the proper treatment, you can live until you die of something else. I’m almost 78 And I don’t look or feel that old. I know there are drugs and treatments. I can take one when what I have now fails.

PC can be scary, but you just have to live your life.

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Thanks @jeffmarc for sharing your experience in some detail. I am much more reassured now than I was when I posted about my concerns about the side effects of the treatments for recurring prostate cancer,

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@chippydoo, very positive! Thank you. I had a biopsy done in Dec 2021 when this whole thing started. Was told I had “tiny cancer”, Gleason 3, and it wouldn’t be a problem to just monitor a few things. Got Dr Walsh’s book on Surviving Prostate Cancer which probably saved my life, and began my PC education. Decided a 2nd opinion was warranted and picked an up and coming prostate cancer research center in Virginia where I live. To make a long story short, my next biopsy six months later was targeted to an MRI overlay to pull samples from a very hot tumor they found high and on the backside. That was July 2022. A week later my Urology Oncologist called with the bad news, and some good news. Gleason 9, probably contained. Surgery ensued, cancer undetectable for one year, then faced with salvage radiation. I thank God I didn’t listen to my first urologist, otherwise, I’d not be writing this in all likelihood. My surgical biopsy showed containment of my cancer at Stage 3, 75% Gleason 4 and 25% Gleason 5, 11% of the prostate. I’m lucky, I have good people watching over me, and taking all this for granted won’t work for me. So thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, and just hang in there. It gets better!

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@makemyday1 Up and coming in Va? We have even more in common as I am near Richmond which warrants me asking you which center is the up and comer in Va? UVa or VCU or another. I was seen at Va Ur and my second at VCU. I would welcome the info in case of future BCR. Diagnosed in Oct 2022, Gleason 9 grade 5, 10% one pin dreaded Cribriform T2 contained. Alleged margin BCR, 3 month Lupron switching to Orgovyx for the second 3 months with 25 sessions salvage this year. Did I say I was really interested in that research center lol. Thank you for your kind words.

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@makemyday1 Up and coming in Va? We have even more in common as I am near Richmond which warrants me asking you which center is the up and comer in Va? UVa or VCU or another. I was seen at Va Ur and my second at VCU. I would welcome the info in case of future BCR. Diagnosed in Oct 2022, Gleason 9 grade 5, 10% one pin dreaded Cribriform T2 contained. Alleged margin BCR, 3 month Lupron switching to Orgovyx for the second 3 months with 25 sessions salvage this year. Did I say I was really interested in that research center lol. Thank you for your kind words.

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@chippydoo, yeah, Emily Couric Cancer Center, UVA. I think I made a good choice. The reason I say up and coming was because they were upgraded to a NCI Comprehensive Cancer Center at about the time I was narrowing my choices. VCU’s Massey also has that distinction. For me, it made sense, and I love Charlottesville from our time in a little AirBnB during my 33 radiation treatments. My Urology Oncologist surgeon was trained on DaVinci at Johns Hopkins before coming to UVA Health. I asked all the questions about experience with the DaVinci and felt very comfortable. I could have chosen Georgetown, or VCU, or Hopkins. We live in Fredericksburg.

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@chippydoo, and one more thing. My doctor specializes in nerve sparing techniques with the DaVinci which I was grateful for. The Radiation Oncology department has been with me the whole time, even before my prostatectomy. They helped me make up my mind which direction to go, radiation or removal, and the handoff was flawless once I was diagnosed with chemical recurrence. The same doctor who helped me weigh the pros and cons is with me today. In fact, I see him in about 3 hours to go over my last labs.

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Is everyone here posting from the USA? If so where r u from? Where do you think has the best treatment for stage 4 prostate cancer. I’m in Boston and was doing great went from a 326 PSA down to 0.6. But now I’m feeling pains in my stomach and my chest and my shoulder blade on right side. I’m scheduled for a biopsy next week. They found a mass between my 4th and 4th rib.

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@frankybaby I have niece who is a researcher at Dana Farber. I can ask her, but, if it’s not too far for you to go, Dartmouth Hitchcock in Hanover NH might be worth a look. Lean towards a teaching hospital. They’ve got the latest and greatest.

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