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Lymph Nodes why take them out!

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When discussing what was then my "pending" DaVinci Robotic-assisted Radical Prostatectomy, I asked my urologist if he planned on removing my lymph nodes as well? I knew that if the cancer spreads to the lymph nodes, your time is now limited. My urologist had two responses: 1) Statistical studies show that after many lymph nodes being removed, and an overwhelmingly vast percentage in the upper 90-percents showing no-invasion/no- pathology, standards of practice for prostatectomy now do NOT routinely remove the lymph nodes. He added that the prevailing and accepted protocol is to NOT remove lymph nodes, as is offered by the author of the above Mayo post. 2) He told me that with my Gleason score of 3+4=7 (with only 6-10% of cells "4" on the second pass examination), a PSA of 6.1 ng/ml, and most importantly, a PET Scan that showed 100% confinement of the cancer in my prostate, that he "didn't need to remove the lymph nodes." Had there been Gallium-68 radioactive tracer uptake outside the prostate, and perhaps specifically in the lymph nodes, he would have removed them, but that he and the general population just don't see it very often.
I was however reminded of the father of my sister's best friend. "After" he died of prostate cancer in his late '60's, his family and friends recalled how he was often complaining of lower back pain for a very long time. He thought he was just getting old and was "paying for" all of the misuse and strain on his back through his earlier years. He was finally diagnosed with prostate cancer, and was dead within a few months after, with massive pelvic area lymph node invasion, as well as elsewhere in his body. I don't recall what his Gleason score was, but it was likely a 5+4=9. Lesson learned for men over 40 to 50 and onward: If you have lower back pain - and really for no reason - and you haven't had a PSA in a while: Go to the doctor and get tested before it is too late.

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@rlpostrp so you said in your post that lymph node invasion gives one'limited time'..and yet later said that men over 40 with lower back pain go to doc and get tested.

Many men died from prostate cancer back in the day. One treatment option was castration which is not reverseable...( done even now in rare cases I believe)...

however, just to clarify, according to my research discussions with docs, even metastic prostate cancer ( to bones) can be treated with ADT and radiation ( including lymph nodes-the fewer the better) plus spot radiation ..the PET scans now can see very early cancer growth, pin point it and in many cases, early ADT/radiation can and does suppress the disease for many years...

Of course people still die from prostate cancer ( OJ SImpson, Wm Hurt, Dennis Hopper, Timothy leary ) but many die because they ignore symptoms or refuse treatment...lots of great advancements in last 15 yrs !