Osteopenia Supplements that work?

Posted by jime51 @jime51, Sep 23 10:16am

I had my first-ever bone density scan today, now at nine months on Orgovyx and after 44 weekday radiation treatments February-April. The evaluation indicates Osteopenia, and I'm wondering what you take that works. I will be talking with physicians, but you're in the middle of this!
HISTORY: osteoporosis screening, 74-year-old male, prior hip or vertebral fracture, initial encounter

TECHNIQUE: A dual energy x-ray assessment of bone mineral density over the left forearm and right proximal femur was obtained with the following results, utilizing Hologic instrumentation. The images used for this analysis appear to have been properly
positioned and acquired.

COMPARISON: No prior similar studies are available for comparison.

FINDINGS: (Measured Region, BMD in gm/cm2, Young T-score)

Left radius 33%: 0.762, -1.1

Femoral Neck: 0.668, -1.9
Proximal Femur (total): 0.728, -2.0

Impression:
IMPRESSION:

Osteopenia/Low bone mineral density. No FRAX analysis secondary to prior hip or lumbar fracture.

This can serve as a baseline.

Note: The International Society for Clinical Densitometry (ISCD) classifies bone densities as follows:

Normal: at or above -1.0 standard deviation below mean young adult (SD)
Low Bone Mass Density (Osteopenia): between -1.0 and -2.5 SD
Osteoporosis: at or below -2.5 SD
Established Osteoporosis: at or below -2.5 SD with fragility fractures
Thanks for any help you may be able to give!

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Xgeva, another brand name for denosumab (other brand name Prolia) is thought to control bone metastasis better than the bisphosphonates like zometa.

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The problem is that Xgeva has a higher percent of osteonecrosis of jaw than Zometa. That causes bones in the jaw to deteriorate and die. Not a real common problem, but more common with Xgeva.

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I rarely comment on this web site. I have advanced high risk PCa, treated 2022-2024 with RT, ADT and abiraterone. In late 2022 I had a DEXA scan showing osteoporesis. There were no prior scans so I can't definitively say I did or did not have it before PCa treatment.

There is zero doubt very low Testosterone leads to 5-6 fold higher BMD loss rates. If you have a pre-existing BMD loss going on due to age and biology, there is no data about how much worse that makes low T BMD loss.

My MO put me on Prolia every six months and in late 2024 my DEXA results were normal. I am not on ADT now, but my T for sure has not gone above supracastrate levels after about 1 year off ADT. It will be interesting what my 2026 DEXA scan shows. I take all the supplements that are supposed to help with BMD, exercise a lot, etc.

So for those worried about Prolia et al SE's, my understanding is they are non-fatal and very treatable. OTOH, if your body already had a prior bone loss issue (IE most of us), and you add LT ADT to the mix, you risk bad bone breaks in your 80's which have been shown to be FAR more dangerous than Prolia et al SE's. Fatal for most men in about 1 year, very painful very poor QOL for that year.

IMO the best that supplements and exercise can do for folks with low T is stabilize bone density numbers. If osteoporetic, odds are that will remain so.

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Forgot to mention, Prolia et al requires supplemental calcium 1200 mg/day or so.

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The problem is that Xgeva has a higher percent of osteonecrosis of jaw than Zometa. That causes bones in the jaw to deteriorate and die. Not a real common problem, but more common with Xgeva.

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@jeffmarc
it is important that you mention osteonecrosis, especially in the jaw.

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I am a retired orthopaedic surgeon who also is dealing with residual/recurrent/ongoing prostate cancer. The main things to do for osteopenia at this point are: 1) check your Vit D blood level. A surprising number of random tests show low or borderline low Vitamin D levels. 2) Take extra calcium daily. I use TUMS and take 2000-3000 mg a day. The literature varies a lot on how much to take but if you don't have a calcium problem such as calcific kidney stones, there is no danger from taking that much. 3) Make sure you put daily stress on your bones. Walking is good for the lower extremities. Pushups are good for upper extremities. If you cannot do real pushups, you can do "baby pushups" on your knees instead of on your toes. You can also work out on various machines in gyms and suit those to your abilities but do it regularly. Also stress your spine with exercises such as sit-ups, crunches, etc. Should your osteoporosis progress to the point that you experience fractures, there are drugs to reportedly increase bone mass but they work very slowly on bone mass even though the fracture rates are reported to decrease more rapidly. Best to do the 3 things above to avoid problems.

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D3+K2 but yes have primary check levels as this is 5000 D3- the K2 keep calcium out of arteries where you don't want it. I don't find 1000 IU D would raise my tested D level - or hardly at all, but in the summer you may need less.
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/p/swanson-premium-vitamins-d3-k2-2-in-1-formula-extra-strength-60-veg-caps
Strontium citrate
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/p/swanson-premium-strontium-citrate-340-mg-60-caps
Boron as a liquid
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/p/trace-minerals-ionic-boron-6-mg-2-fl-oz-liquid
Biosil as a liquid
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/p/natural-factors-biosil-beauty-bones-joints-0-5-fl-oz-15-ml-liquid
Magnesium as a rub rather than pill, since taking oral magnesium can be hard on many,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0KQ9QJ?th=1
With these my dexa scan stays great. I do basic weight routine 3x a week. Up to you on calcium as per your diet.

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I don’t know why your doctor is prescribing this, but it is not approved for use with ADT. Using a real drug like Fosamax, Xgeva or Zometa Is much better for someone on ADT.

Toremifene (Prosteon) is not currently an approved treatment for the prevention of osteoporosis or bone loss in men on ADT in many regions

GTx, Inc. submitted a New Drug Application (NDA) for toremifene (brand name Acapodene) 80 mg for fracture prevention in men on ADT. Despite positive Phase III trial results, the FDA issued a Complete Response Letter in November 2009, declining to approve it for this indication. Toremifene (brand name Fareston) is only approved in the U.S. for metastatic breast cancer in postmenopausal women.

In the European Union, toremifene (brand name Fareston) is approved for the treatment of hormone-dependent metastatic breast cancer in postmenopausal women, but not for preventing osteoporosis in men on ADT.

The same is true for Canada.

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@jeffmarc Prosteon seems to have decent reviews but less Calcium than I'm already taking. My wife says Osteopenia is due to age as much as anything else. It'll be interesting to see what my doctor recommends.

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Question for the group. I've only been on ADT since 6/2025, but it appears this may be a long-term treatment. Which doctor do I push for bone density testing and follow-up? PCP, urology, radiation oncology, urologic oncology, cardiac oncology or do I need to find another doctor to add to the list?

And...thanks to the jime51 for bringing this up.

ETA: Never mind...just got an email that DXA scan has been ordered for the week after IGRT ends.

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I am a retired orthopaedic surgeon who also is dealing with residual/recurrent/ongoing prostate cancer. The main things to do for osteopenia at this point are: 1) check your Vit D blood level. A surprising number of random tests show low or borderline low Vitamin D levels. 2) Take extra calcium daily. I use TUMS and take 2000-3000 mg a day. The literature varies a lot on how much to take but if you don't have a calcium problem such as calcific kidney stones, there is no danger from taking that much. 3) Make sure you put daily stress on your bones. Walking is good for the lower extremities. Pushups are good for upper extremities. If you cannot do real pushups, you can do "baby pushups" on your knees instead of on your toes. You can also work out on various machines in gyms and suit those to your abilities but do it regularly. Also stress your spine with exercises such as sit-ups, crunches, etc. Should your osteoporosis progress to the point that you experience fractures, there are drugs to reportedly increase bone mass but they work very slowly on bone mass even though the fracture rates are reported to decrease more rapidly. Best to do the 3 things above to avoid problems.

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@tedbeemer
You really should be taking calcium citrate instead of Tums which contains calcium carbonate. It is better absorbed on an empty stomach and has fewer conflicts with other drugs.

Constipation is one of the most common side effects of calcium-based antacids like Tums

I have a pharmacist call me every six months to go over my drugs. The first thing they told me, years ago, was to stop taking calcium carbonate and start taking calcium citrate..

Costco has it with magnesium and vitamin D. I have to take 500 mg three times a day in order to keep my calcium in the normal level. Most people only need to take it twice a day.

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Question for the group. I've only been on ADT since 6/2025, but it appears this may be a long-term treatment. Which doctor do I push for bone density testing and follow-up? PCP, urology, radiation oncology, urologic oncology, cardiac oncology or do I need to find another doctor to add to the list?

And...thanks to the jime51 for bringing this up.

ETA: Never mind...just got an email that DXA scan has been ordered for the week after IGRT ends.

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Never mind my above question. It appears great minds think alike. Just got email notification that DXA Scan has been ordered for the week after I finish IGRT.

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Question for the group. I've only been on ADT since 6/2025, but it appears this may be a long-term treatment. Which doctor do I push for bone density testing and follow-up? PCP, urology, radiation oncology, urologic oncology, cardiac oncology or do I need to find another doctor to add to the list?

And...thanks to the jime51 for bringing this up.

ETA: Never mind...just got an email that DXA scan has been ordered for the week after IGRT ends.

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@mjp0512
You should contact the doctor that put you on ADT.

You should get a Dexa scan immediately So you have a picture of what your bone health is prior to taking much ADT.

A bone doctor that specializes in prostate cancer said that everybody should be on a bone strengthener if they are on ADT. I took Fosamax for six years, A pill you take Once A week. I am now on Zometa infusion every three months. You can also take Xgeva infusion as well.. It’s important you get this started soon.

You should also be on calcium, preferably calcium citrate, which is easier on the body. 500 mg twice a day is the recommended dose by oncologist that know what they are doing. Another thing you need is vitamin D. All of these should’ve been recommended by your doctor.

Considering all the doctors you have, you should really have a Genito Urinary Oncologist, overseeing all the other doctors and treatments. Those oncologist specialize in prostate cancer, unlike medical oncologist, who work with all different kinds of cancer and can’t specialize in prostate cancer.

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