Spine Doctor and hip doctors opinion .. scared to start taking them

Posted by Diana @albertklein, Sep 6 6:22pm

Had a Dexa -3.5 on spine and left hip. went to a hip doctor, opinion this medicines are poison, when to s pain Dr. same opinion. went to an endocrinologist she sent me to do some blood work to see the reason, I do not smoke, drink and not overweight.
Super scared to take this medicines... but on the other hand I live alone and need my mobility, do not know what to do. waiting for the blood work and will have a second opinion form a different endocrinologist any suggestions. ?

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Daisy17, hi. One way of knowing is by the way the medications work. Most of the medications block cell that dissolve defective bone. Bisphosphonates attach to the bone preventing these osteoclastic cells from attaching causing the death. Prolia stops these cells from developing fully and Evenity blocks a protein necessary for their production. The pth 1-34 medications increase the production of both types of cells the osteoclasts that dissolve older and damaged bone and the osteoblasts the cells that produce new bone.
Then there are the warnings on all the other meds about osteonecrosis and atypical fractures. In a sense all of the clinical trials signal issues about bone quality except Forteo and Tymlos.
There are actual studies about bone quality. https://www.healio.com/news/endocrinology/20220726/2-years-of-teriparatide-restores-bone-quality-to-premenopausal-levels#:~:text=Teriparatide%20r estores%20bone%20mineral%20quality,that%20of%20healthy%20premenopausal%20women.%E2%80%9D
There are other less accessible studies, animal studies and pathological studies. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/articleid=10.1371/journal.pone.0229820
Not to obscure your point about how ephemeral these bones are. It may become more common to stay on Forteo or Tymlos now that the restrictions have been removed.

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@gently Greatly apreciate the time you put into research and sharing it with us.. My endo has mentioned that he wanted me to go on yourvipath after tymlos . Your mentioning of the pth -34 medication caused me to look up yorvipath and this too is a pth-34 med used for hypoparathyroidism. My parathyroid was snagged during thryroidectomy and my hypocalcimia has been controlled by oral meds. The thought of shooting myself with yet another drug has been unsettling. Looking up on google:
PTH (1-34) primarily stimulates bone formation by directly acting on osteoblasts through the PTH receptor 1 (PTHR1), activating cAMP/PKA signaling pathways. It increases the proliferation and differentiation of osteoprogenitor cells, promotes osteoblast survival, and upregulates osteogenic genes like RUNX2 and collagen I. Intermittent administration leads to anabolic (bone-building) effects, while continuous administration promotes a catabolic (bone-breakdown) effect.

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zygote, you'll be on a lower dose than the catabolic dose. Yourvipath is the same 1-34, but attached to methoxypolyethylene glycol (mPEG) which makes it more water soluable and stays in your system longer. So you won't be getting the pulsed effect of Tymlos which is so very anabolic. Yourvipath (generically pelopegteriparatide) is fairly new 2024 makes me think you are getting very good care. Yourvipath isn't though to be strong enough to bring you out of osteoporosis, but should keep your bones strong.
Other than the bone pain was shooting Tymlos pretty unsettling. I think the Yourvipath will be easier on you than Tymlos. Some people are allergic to the pelopeg. You'll be able to stop the oral meds?
This is terribly interesting. Will you have bone markers? Let us know how it goes.
Bless your bones.

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Thank you for this article. It is a good summary of what is needed. I can confirm that an exercise program can stop or slow osteoporosis. Every one of my dexa scans for the last 8 years got worse and worse. In 2023 I started a strength and jumping program I pieced together from various sources, e.g. Margret Martin @ Melio Guide. After two years of consistently lifting, jumping, increased protein and eating prunes my last dexa scan plateaued. It didn't get better but it didn't get worse. As Margret Martin says "Maintaining is gaining".

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Diana: My mother had osteoporosis and would break bones just turning around on a barstool. I am taller and slim built like my mom, but my sister is built like my dad, more stocky. We both have osteoporosis. A rheumatologist I saw said the disease has a definite genetic component. I wonder what blood work your endocrinologist is doing that would further look into a cause.

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I would say it's extremely important to meet with a doctor that specializes in Osteoporosis. My mom had osteoporosis early and eventually broke 16+ bones and lost four inches of height. I wanted to avoid that fate as did my sister. We have always eaten well, made certain we had enough calcium and D, excersized including weight bearing daily, etc, etc. Had my first DEXA at 51 and my spinal T score average was -3.7 with my lowest 2 lumbars -4. Obviously, not taking medication wasn't an option. I made an appointment with a specialist, but it was several months out. In the meantime I was able to consult with a PhD who oversees many of the osteoporosis drug trails to discuss the different options, outcomes, order the drugs are taken, etc, etc. Eventually I got into the osteoporosis specialist doc. He did note that genetics can be a bitch. After much testing to rule out any other causes, checking my kidneys, etc, etc we discussed options. Eventually decided on going onto an anabolic bone building medication to help "build up my bones" before I would switch to more of a maintenance drug such as a bisphosphonate. I used Tymlos for two years (daily injection, it's very simply like an insulin pen). I had a 16% BMD increase in the first year and about 4% in the second year. I then had an annual Reclast infusion to "lock in the gains". I will have two more annual infusions and then go off drugs for a few years since Reclast remains in the system for several years. Once it starts to decline (will have bone marker testing done to determine when that is occurring), we will discuss next steps in the process. Osteoporosis is a long term condition and the order you take the drugs and for how long is extremely important (an anabolic isn't as effective if a bisphosphonate is taken beforehand, for example). Most of the osteoporosis drugs have a limit to how long they are recommended to take, so planning ahead with someone who specializes is important. I was terrified to start the drugs after reading the forums, but I'm glad I did as not doing so would mean a certain future of broken bones. My mom has now been on Prolia for 7 years and is back to dancing and living life in her 80's. My sister started on bisphosphonates in her 40's so she was able to stop her loss before it was as severe. She's now on a "drug holiday" and will resume when her markers indicate it's time (likely 3-5 years). I would note when I recently had shoulder surgery the surgeon noted "why not just do weight bearing exercises" when I mentioned I had osteoporosis, not helpful. Again, I had exercised daily, wear a weighted vest, had always done weight bearing exercises as recommended to prevent bone loss, practice martial arts, ski, hike regularly, etc, etc. Sometimes medications are needed or you just continue to lose bone density. Had I caught mine earlier, HRT might have slowed my loss, but I didn't, so here I am now treating it as best I can. Unfortunately, my doc is now retiring so I am in search of another specialist in the Seattle area (which isn't easy to find, but worth waiting for). Luckily I already know the plan for the next several years. Many of the drugs available today didn't exist 20 years ago, so at least we have so many more options now with more on the horizon. Good luck with your journey. Ask a lot of questions when you meet with them.

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Hi!
This was so wonderful to hear!

I am 59 years old, would consider myself extremely healthy. I eat right, my BMI is 20.2 and I’m not on any Maintenance drugs for anything. My heart is good, I’ve never had any problems.

I had dental implants put in in July and my oral surgeon said that my bones were soft and recommended that I get a bone density test.

I had to argue with my MD because she determined that I was too young to have a DEXA exam, but I pushed and she did.

My scores -2.8 all the way through. Due to the fact that I just had dental implants, I could not be on any other medication’s because that could have caused osteonecrosis or Jaw Death.

I was scared. So I went to a specialist who ran a lot of tests and determined that Tymlos was the answer for me.

I have a lot of years left, and I can’t imagine going through them with fractures more and more every year.

I will take whatever irritating side effects that go with us I guess for this reason.

I came here to see how other people feel about this drug and I really appreciate your story. Thank you!

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Diana: My mother had osteoporosis and would break bones just turning around on a barstool. I am taller and slim built like my mom, but my sister is built like my dad, more stocky. We both have osteoporosis. A rheumatologist I saw said the disease has a definite genetic component. I wonder what blood work your endocrinologist is doing that would further look into a cause.

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Hi ! the endocrinologist did a EPG serum PHT Intact Blood Phosphorus , Vitamin D, 25-0H total C-telopeptide Serum , 24 Hour Urine Creatinine, 24 Hour Urine Calcium . She wanted to rule out any other possibility for my bone loss. All test results came out ok, so I went with one doctor and he wanted to give me Tymlos or Forteo , And I am waiting for a second opinion , I asked if I can try one year without meds, and then have a dexa , his answer was that I can do it but at my own risk and that his recommendation may not change in a year of me trying the natural approach . Thank you !

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Thank you for this article. It is a good summary of what is needed. I can confirm that an exercise program can stop or slow osteoporosis. Every one of my dexa scans for the last 8 years got worse and worse. In 2023 I started a strength and jumping program I pieced together from various sources, e.g. Margret Martin @ Melio Guide. After two years of consistently lifting, jumping, increased protein and eating prunes my last dexa scan plateaued. It didn't get better but it didn't get worse. As Margret Martin says "Maintaining is gaining".

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So encouraging to hear, Elizabeth. I, too, benefit from Margret Martin's resources. I've been piecing together several online resources to establish my own routines to do at home. I have an gym close by, but there is little knowledge of what's beneficial for those w/OP. A Physical Therapist worked w/me 4-times to show me the Liftmor protocol exercises, but finding a way to continue those is tricky. They would not be safe to do at home or a gym without someone to 'spot' form, etc.

Thanks again for your report. I need to add more protein, too!

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I follow Dr. Lisa Moore. She has Brick House Bone on Facebook and YouTube for all her exercises. She has some for beginners and advanced. It is great.

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