Dr sugggesting Prolia (Im 57, postmenopause 12 yrs)

Posted by kris1130 @kris1130, Sep 15 3:29pm

I have an appt (Oct) with a Rheumatoid Dr who specializes also in Osteoporosis .
The Osteoporosis Center I just went to, recommended me to go on Prolia. She told me I should do any HRT (if Oct Dr would suggest that) being on Prolia.
Is anyone in my age range in the same boat?
When reading the groups discussion on medications /side effects they cause, including Prolia, it's a bit scary. I almost feel I should just take the risk with no meds and be careful not to get a fracture until I'm little older.
I have never broken a bone or fractured one. I just think what isn't broke, don't fix.
Any suggestions where I should go from here or what Dr I should go with IF I decide to start taking medications.
My heart aches reading all the side effects, damage some have experienced. We put our confidence in these Dr's to help us and at times I feel the only answer they give is "THIS MEDICATION WILL HELP".
thank you in advance.

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Profile picture for lorriej @lorriej

I was on Prolia for 4yrs. Im 58 now. My periods stopped when I was 44. I wish that I had just done the HRT. I ended up needing a tooth pulled. So had to miss 1 injection. 2 days before I had my tooth pulled I fractured 4 vertebrae in my upper back ( T 3,4,6,8) I've had to have 4 vertbroplasty 8 wks ago and am now getting avenity injection. Apparently if you stop the prolia your bones regress rapidly. I know other women who are on it with no issues. Just don't get a tooth pulled

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I am so sorry to hear what you have been dealing with. I had read that stopping Prolia for a period of time can make bones worse. Though the Dr told me if I had a reaction or needed to stop, they would pull me off and see if it was the Prolia or something else causing problems. The injections are 1 shot every 6 months, not sure if that is was your care.
It is truly hard to make the right decision when so many individuals with different results, issues.
Wish you the best in healing.

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Re: familial dyslipidemia (I have as well), there are genetic tests which can be helpful. For example, I have been on crestor for 2 decades now, my coronary calcium score was also 0. But my brother who is 47, despite statins, had a score of 378 (he had 23 lesions in his LAD, the large vessel that supplied the heart, and my son was diagnosed with high cholesterol at the age of 3 years old. So I had genetic testing which was positive. Likely the many years of natural estrogen was cardio protective. So I elected to take statins and avoid estrogen despite a diagnosis of osteoporosis. I also elected to tell my cousins about genetic testing (all of my aunts and uncles on my dad side have had strokes, heart attacks, and/or heart failure) so they could decide if testing was right for them and / or their children “

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Profile picture for kris1130 @kris1130

Thank you Laura1970. In conjunction with my Dexa scan, I had a CT calcium score test down (2nd one I have requested in 2 yrs) due to having elevated cholesterol and Dr wanted me on Statin but both my Calcium scores "0". Dr feels it is familial cholesterol since both parents had it.
I have read somethings about HT and estrogen, in addition to not having estrogen can cause memory/brain issues (which I have had some testing and do have some concerns for early AD. Just taking one thing at a time and figuring out what is best and most least meds, with least further damaging.

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If you do decide to take estrogen despite familial dyslipidemia, might try to get bio identical estrogen approval from insurance company. Theoretically has less risk, but to my knowledge, there are no studies

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Profile picture for gravity3 @gravity3

Not everyone who takes Osteoporosis drugs is going to experience side effects or "multi issues". I have taken alendronate, forteo, evenity and one year of Prolia. I have not had noticeable side effects nor have I fractured. We are all individual in or histories and responses.

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Hi. I hope you can answer a few questions. Of course, feel free not to answer any. Thanks in advance.

1)Just wondering why you were on 4 separate meds?

2)What was your starting tscore and what is it now?

3) is there a point where you will stop the meds or are you planning on taking them forever?

4) are you doing things like the proper exercises, correct diet, doing yoga, stress reduction, etc while you are on meds to try to balance the osteoclast/osteoblast activity

5) how old were you when first diagnosed and did you have underlying issues?

Sorry for so many questions. I am just trying to understand more about this horrible disease.

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Profile picture for shelldct1 @shelldct1

Hi. I hope you can answer a few questions. Of course, feel free not to answer any. Thanks in advance.

1)Just wondering why you were on 4 separate meds?

2)What was your starting tscore and what is it now?

3) is there a point where you will stop the meds or are you planning on taking them forever?

4) are you doing things like the proper exercises, correct diet, doing yoga, stress reduction, etc while you are on meds to try to balance the osteoclast/osteoblast activity

5) how old were you when first diagnosed and did you have underlying issues?

Sorry for so many questions. I am just trying to understand more about this horrible disease.

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66 yr. When diagnosed. Why 4 drugs.....attempts to stop bone loss, build bone, maintain gains. I had early onset menopause at 39 and a bit of hormone replacement. But due to the flawed women's health initiative study I was taken off. I am sure that menopause and no hormone replacement was the culprit for me as for most women.
I am not a person who has changed much of my lifestyle choices to chase bone health. I exercise some, I eat well but don't deny myself. My philosophy is quality of life over quantity. I take responsibility for my choices but I dont spend time wringing my hands and chastising my self. Iam not sure if I will always take these meds. One year ago at 76 I began bhrt. My primary goal was not to try and reverse osteoporosis but I have some hope that it will support a wider range of choices. I'll have to see if I can find my beginning t scores and my next deca is this November. I'll try to remember to post those. My greatest gains were with Evenity. If I seem kind of removed from all of this I am. I don't think of Osteoporosis as a terrible disease. For me it is a natural product of hormone loss in the aging female body. I am thrilled everyday that I
am living at a time when there are drugs that help hold it at bay for awhile and that there are hormone replacement opportunities. Hope that helps. It is deeply personal ....these choices.

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Profile picture for kris1130 @kris1130

Hello Mayblin,
I'm pasting my Dexa report because I'm not sure on some of your questions. I have had recent blood work done, below results.
Calcium 10.3
vitamin D-25-Hydroxy 74
I am only on 1 prescription and take a handful of supplements for gut, VitD, Omegas, Multi-Vit over 50.

Dexa Scan
COMPARISON: None available.

LUMBAR SPINE: L1-L4
- Bone mineral density (BMD) = 0.878 g/cm2.
- T-score = -2.6
- Change (%) since most recent prior (if available): None available.

FEMUR: NECK MEAN
- Bone mineral density (BMD) = 0.809 g/cm2.
- T-score = -1.6
- Change (%) since most recent prior (if available): None available.

IMPRESSION:
1. WHO Classification: OSTEOPOROSIS. Fracture Risk: HIGH.

FRAX generally not reported for patients with normal or osteoporotic BMD, in
patients younger than age 40 or older than age 90, in non-steroid-treated
patients younger than age 50, or in patients currently undergoing
pharmacotherapy.

TREATMENT RECOMMENDATION:
The Bone Health & Osteoporosis Foundation recommends consideration to initiate
pharmacologic treatment in postmenopausal women and men >= 50 years of age who
have the following:
- OSTEOPOROSIS: T-score < = -2.5 at the femoral neck, total hip, lumbar spine,
33% radius by DXA
- OSTEOPENIA / LOW BONE MASS: T-score between -1.0 and -2.5 at the femoral neck
or total hip by DXA with a 10-year hip fracture risk >= 3% or a 10-year major
osteoporosis-related fracture risk >= 20% (i.e., clinical vertebral, hip,
forearm, or proximal humerus) based on the US-adapted FRAX model.

NOTE: All decisions for treatment should be discussed between the patient and
one of their individual healthcare providers.

============================================================
WHO CLASSIFICATION:
The T-score compares the patient's BMD to the average BMD of a young adult. The
criteria below are from the World Health Organization:
- NORMAL: T-score -1.0 or above
- OSTEOPENIA / LOW BONE MASS: T-score -1.1 to < -2.5
- OSTEOPOROSIS: T-score -2.5 or lower

ISCD International Society for Clinical Densitometry's 2013 consensus
conference:
In Postmenopausal Women and in Men Age 50 and Older:
- T-scores are preferred.
- The WHO densitometric classification is applicable.
In Women prior to menopause and Men less than Age 50:
- Z-scores, not T-scores are preferred. This is particularly important in
children.
- A Z-score of -2.0 or lower is defined as 'below the expected range for age'
and a Z-score above -2.0 is 'within the expected range for age.'
- The WHO diagnostic criteria may be applied in women in the menopausal
transition.
- Osteoporosis cannot be diagnosed in men under age 50 on the basis of BMD
alone.

THANK YOU for any and all information. It's all new to me and I'm pretty good at researching but Osteoporosis is all over the place.

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Thanks for sharing your results, kris1130! With a spine Tscore of -2.6 and femur neck at -1.6 (do you have total hip readings?), it doesn't seem like you're in a situation that requires rushing into medication just yet, unless there are other factors such as existing fractures, a high FRAX score, or cancer related reason (which doesn't sound like the case for you). This could be a good time to do lots of readings and work with your doctors to find out if any underlying causes might be contributing, and take a closer look at all your options. I found this table very useful - it gives a detailed list of secondary causes of osteoporosis, other than estrogen deficiency:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5335887/table/t1-ejr-4-1-46/
My endo ran quite a few tests but didn't find any clear secondary cause. Still, I can see some of the factors on this list fit me, like low bmi and inconsistent calcium intake. I was also irregular with protein intake, which I think may have played a role. Oh, ask your doctor what s/he thinks about your calcium and vitd level.

You can run your numbers through the FRAX calculator using this link:
https://www.fraxplus.org/calculation-tool
If your Dexa includes TBS, then your FRAX score can be further adjusted by built-in calculation.

The first medication choice really matters, since it sets the stage for what comes next - typically, starting with an anabolic is preferred. The challenge then becomes how to maintain those gains over long term, or whether to consider using an anabolic again further down the line. Sequencing of two-drug regimen has been studied more, but evidence is limited for more complex or longer sequences. HRT could be a good option to consider at your age, depending on how the risks and benefits line up for you. There is a good thread where many members discussed the safety of HRT:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/hrt-safety/
There are also many youtube videos on HRT use by obgyns.

Everything will come together as you gather this information and feel well prepared discussing your options with your doctor. Wishing you the best. Please keep us updated on how things go!

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Profile picture for lorriej @lorriej

I was on Prolia for 4yrs. Im 58 now. My periods stopped when I was 44. I wish that I had just done the HRT. I ended up needing a tooth pulled. So had to miss 1 injection. 2 days before I had my tooth pulled I fractured 4 vertebrae in my upper back ( T 3,4,6,8) I've had to have 4 vertbroplasty 8 wks ago and am now getting avenity injection. Apparently if you stop the prolia your bones regress rapidly. I know other women who are on it with no issues. Just don't get a tooth pulled

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Luckily I got off Prolia after 6 months- I had the worst reactions while I was on it- aching joints, bleeding gums, hair loss etc. The Doctors never tell you the drawbacks-then I was put on actonel THE WORST- I had sever reflux and esophagus issues had to go to the ER- went off the actonel and still have esophagus issues. I NEVER had these issues in my life. I am so sick of these DRs. telling you wha to take and then we suffer all the side effects. So I exercise vigorously, eat calcium rich foods and try to be careful with potential falls. I have entry level osteoporosis- had endometrial cancer 8 years ago with chemo and I think that is what destroyed my bones.

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Please see my comment below.

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Luckily I got off Prolia after 6 months- I had the worst reactions while I was on it- aching joints, bleeding gums, hair loss etc. The Doctors never tell you the drawbacks-then I was put on actonel THE WORST- I had sever reflux and esophagus issues had to go to the ER- went off the actonel and still have esophagus issues. I NEVER had these issues in my life. I am so sick of these DRs. telling you wha to take and then we suffer all the side effects. So I exercise vigorously, eat calcium rich foods and try to be careful with potential falls. I have entry level osteoporosis- had endometrial cancer 8 years ago with chemo and I think that is what destroyed my bones.

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If u have Medicare they will pay for a home visit. I’m not sure what kind of practioner, I believe a nurse, but not an RN. I would hope one of the things they would check is a falls risk assessment and assessment of your home for environmental causes of falls — area rugs, poor lighting, clutter or debris on floors, uneven or split-level flooring, insecurely attached carpets or rugs, slippery surfaces (especially in bathrooms and kitchens), and poor stair design or maintenance (such as uneven steps or lack of sturdy handrails). Additional risks are obstacles like trailing wires or low furniture, a lack of grab bars in bathrooms, and poor outdoor maintenance, including uneven sidewalks or slippery entrances.

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I had osteoporosis and did Forteo with good result. I thought Reclast was the way to go but had severe jaw pain. I never did another. I had also tried all the oral medications and had horrible GERD. I went natural for about 15 years. I ate well, took supplements and exercised. My done density stayed essentially the same. Then two years ago had a surgery that resulted in two more. I was horribly inactive of two years and lost a lot of bone density. My primary care wanted me to try Prolia and am sorry I did but the rheumatologist I saw said he doesn't recommend changing it right now because I can't do bisphosphonates. He said he recommends Prolia as a last resort because it is so tough to get off of.

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