Has anyone gone off hormone therapy (ADT) after radiation?

Posted by gkgdawg @gkgdawg, Sep 2 11:42am

My husband has completed 5 weeks of radiation and 4 months of hormone therapy, 3.5 months ADT. His PSA is less than .2 The doctor seems pleased with the PSA and is hoping that it will soon be undetectable. If he gets to that point, can he take a break from hormone therapy and ADT. He gets his next hormone shot in October. I am hoping he will get Orgovyx , instead of the Elegard. I hate that the hormone therapy has impacted his muscle and bone density. He looks smaller to me. He is trying to do weights and he is signed up for a weight room next month, when we return home from our summer holiday. I would appreciate any input

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Hey Jim,
I have also been on Orgovyx for 9 months. For a few months the side effects were mild. However, they have become severe especially the hot flashes. I’m 76 years old and don’t drink alcohol, smoke or eat poorly. I exercise for at least an hour every day…walking, biking and resistance training. Lately it has become a struggle to get through a workout. On my daily walk I find it difficult to complete a mile without getting severe hot flashes. I actually have short blackouts when I sit to try and recover. The hot flashes drain my energy and I end up sleeping a lot. I rarely get a solid night’s sleep without multiple hot flashes. Yes. I have tried most every recommended solution but nothing seems to work. I refuse to add another drug to fight the side effects of Orgovyx. I realize every one is different and reacts differently. I stopped taking Orgovyx six days ago and feel better already. On Monday I’m telling my Urologist I’m done taking it. I’m sure he will not be happy. I will monitor my PSA and testosterone levels and see what happens. After looking at the research on ADT and prostate cancer I’m not convinced that two years of testosterone lowering drugs is the answer. Quality of life is my concern. At 76 I would rather have a few good years than go through this process without any guarantees of reoccurring prostate cancel. Thanks for your comment.

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I was on Lupron for 3 years, Enzalutimide for one year (the cost went from $0 to $1,600 a month so I was on Abiraterone for two years ($2.50 a month)

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I was on Lupron for 3 years, Enzalutimide for one year (the cost went from $0 to $1,600 a month so I was on Abiraterone for two years ($2.50 a month)

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The side effects tend to get worse with time. That was my experience. That is why (with my oncologist’s blessing) I went off a year ago. The side effects are still here, but my blood pressure and blood sugar are better. Earlier, I was on Lupron alone for sic months and after three months off, my testosterone returned to 400 and my side effects went away. So, I’m hoping that in another six months, my testosterone will again be normal and my side effects will disappear again

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Otherwise you lose both bone and muscle mass. Exercise is also good for the depression that often accompanies ADT

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Just to be clear, many of the ADT side effects are actually the effects of low or absent testosterone . ADT and hormone therapy in general are prescribed to lower testosterone. Side effects like weight gain, bone and muscle loss, depression, low red blood cell count, mood swings, frequent crying, ED and hair loss are all symptoms of low testosterone.

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Get rid of the cancer and then you can start trying to get your testosterone back.

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Just to be clear, many of the ADT side effects are actually the effects of low or absent testosterone . ADT and hormone therapy in general are prescribed to lower testosterone. Side effects like weight gain, bone and muscle loss, depression, low red blood cell count, mood swings, frequent crying, ED and hair loss are all symptoms of low testosterone.

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Sorry, I forgot hot flashes 🥵

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Hey Jim,
I have also been on Orgovyx for 9 months. For a few months the side effects were mild. However, they have become severe especially the hot flashes. I’m 76 years old and don’t drink alcohol, smoke or eat poorly. I exercise for at least an hour every day…walking, biking and resistance training. Lately it has become a struggle to get through a workout. On my daily walk I find it difficult to complete a mile without getting severe hot flashes. I actually have short blackouts when I sit to try and recover. The hot flashes drain my energy and I end up sleeping a lot. I rarely get a solid night’s sleep without multiple hot flashes. Yes. I have tried most every recommended solution but nothing seems to work. I refuse to add another drug to fight the side effects of Orgovyx. I realize every one is different and reacts differently. I stopped taking Orgovyx six days ago and feel better already. On Monday I’m telling my Urologist I’m done taking it. I’m sure he will not be happy. I will monitor my PSA and testosterone levels and see what happens. After looking at the research on ADT and prostate cancer I’m not convinced that two years of testosterone lowering drugs is the answer. Quality of life is my concern. At 76 I would rather have a few good years than go through this process without any guarantees of reoccurring prostate cancel. Thanks for your comment.

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I had severe hot flashes when I first went on Lupron. My oncologist prescribed a depo-provera Shot and the hot flashes almost completely disappeared, until I went on Zytiga. I took Depo-provera For six years and it did control the hottest hot flashes After 6+ years on Lupron I switched to orgovyx. The hot flashes actually stopped for five months and then came back. I decided that after eight years on ADT my testosterone would not come back and my oncologist agreed that I could stop taking it. Unfortunately, my testosterone came back quickly, and I had to start back up on Orgovyx. About six weeks ago, I went and got another depo-provera shot And now I’m getting a very few hot flashes and when I get them, I just get a little warm.

I have an embrlabs.com wave product (wave 2). I’ve used it for Over four years now. It’s like a refrigerator that looks like a watch and sits on the inside of your wrist. You could set up one of the buttons for their night mode . Hit the button twice and It Produces cold waves at measured times during the night and prevents hot flashes and night sweats. They used to bug me, before I got this device . When you start to feel a hot flash coming on, you hit another one of the buttons twice and it sends cold chills through your arms and it reduces the intensity, shortens the life and can stop the hot flashes if hit quickly enough.
https://embrlabs.com/
Along with the depo-provera shot hot flashes really are a minimal issue right now.

You can continue ADT with depo-provera shots Every three months.

If you are taking Prilosec, you need to make sure that the Orgovyx pill is taken at least six hours before or after the Prilosec pill. If you don’t do that, the hot flashes are much stronger.

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NCCN recommend six months of ADT for a Gleason seven, but you had a reoccurrence that required salvage radiation. That means you have an aggressive prostate cancer and more than six months is recommended.

Were more issues found in your biopsy of the prostate? Does that explain why it came back?

12 years ago when my PSA rose to .2 3.5 years after a prostatectomy, I was only given an ADT shot before the 7+ weeks of radiation. It took 2 1/2 more years before my PSA started rising again and I had to go on Lupron.

You may be able to stop, but after a reoccurrence, it is very likely that the cancer will come back. If your PSA has stayed the same since radiation you could try stopping ADT, But I would get monthly PSA tests since you are very likely to have something reoccurred again. 10 years after I was diagnosed and had to prostatectomy I had a genetic test and found out I was BRCA2 And that’s why my cancer keeps coming back.

Getting an hereditary genetic test is a good idea. If you have certain genetic issues, there are new drugs to treat them. You can get one free here If you live in the United States.

Prostatecancerpromise.org

They will send you a spit tube and in about three weeks a genetic counselor will call you to discuss the results. Don’t check the box to have your doctor involved. In that case they won’t send anything until they speak to your doctor.

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Sorry I didn't give you the whole story... after the removal of the prostate, we tested my PSA and it was still at 2.4 that's when we did a PET and found cancerous cells in the area the prostate had been, but nowhere else, so he scheduled the radiation. I got the Eligard shot in june, 2 months after the surgery. Do I still need another shot?

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Get rid of the cancer and then you can start trying to get your testosterone back.

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How do you know when you are rid of the cancer?

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Just to be clear, many of the ADT side effects are actually the effects of low or absent testosterone . ADT and hormone therapy in general are prescribed to lower testosterone. Side effects like weight gain, bone and muscle loss, depression, low red blood cell count, mood swings, frequent crying, ED and hair loss are all symptoms of low testosterone.

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If it weren't so sad, it would, actually, be funny. You know those commercials you see on television for pills or supplements. They sound wonderful and then they say they could cause weight gain, bone and muscle loss, depression, low red blood cell count, mood swings, frequent crying, ED and hair loss...... Yikes.

My husband's most recent blood test showed low red and white blood cells. The oncologist chalked it up to radiation and seemed to think it would pass. but maybe not?

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Hey Jim,
I have also been on Orgovyx for 9 months. For a few months the side effects were mild. However, they have become severe especially the hot flashes. I’m 76 years old and don’t drink alcohol, smoke or eat poorly. I exercise for at least an hour every day…walking, biking and resistance training. Lately it has become a struggle to get through a workout. On my daily walk I find it difficult to complete a mile without getting severe hot flashes. I actually have short blackouts when I sit to try and recover. The hot flashes drain my energy and I end up sleeping a lot. I rarely get a solid night’s sleep without multiple hot flashes. Yes. I have tried most every recommended solution but nothing seems to work. I refuse to add another drug to fight the side effects of Orgovyx. I realize every one is different and reacts differently. I stopped taking Orgovyx six days ago and feel better already. On Monday I’m telling my Urologist I’m done taking it. I’m sure he will not be happy. I will monitor my PSA and testosterone levels and see what happens. After looking at the research on ADT and prostate cancer I’m not convinced that two years of testosterone lowering drugs is the answer. Quality of life is my concern. At 76 I would rather have a few good years than go through this process without any guarantees of reoccurring prostate cancel. Thanks for your comment.

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I was doing almost 90 min of exercise daily, and am now splitting it into 40 min “A-B” days with cardio MWF and stretching/walking/balance TTH. I’ve only done this a few weeks but it seems to be leaving a little more energy for the rest of the day. I plan to take Orgovyx for at least one year, hoping to be allowed to change to Nubeqa for six months and then take a holiday. At 74, I don’t think I can tolerate two years either and life afterward be worth continuing. Wishing you the best.

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