Lowering LDL to help bones

Posted by maggie25 @maggie25, Aug 15, 2024

I recently consulted with Keith McCormick, DC, (author of the excellent book "Great Bones"), who said I have to get my LDL down. Until reading about it in his book, I had never heard of high cholesterol affecting bones. High cholesterol runs in my family. Since the consultation I have been eating almost only healthy fats and reducing my fat intake overall. For example, I used to eat a fair amount of cheese and crackers and am switching to carrot sticks and hummus or baba ganoush. More fish and chicken and less red meat. It has resulted in a little weight loss but also seems to have eliminated edema at the ankles. I have very thin bones to start with and 5 vertebral fractures. I wonder how long it takes to show a difference in LDL. Has anyone has success reducing cholesterol with diet?

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If your lipids are high consider cutting down on the plant based fats. There happens to be a lot of them in vegetarian convenient foods. I read the labels. I have to be lactose and gluten free and when I go to places like Trader Joe’s, they have a lot of what seems to be healthy products, but they’re actually very high in fat content!
I also would suggest that exercise isn’t going to interfere with auto immune disease and flares. There’s something else going on. Taking a gentle walk for 30 minutes every day and deep, breathing yoga and making sure you’re doing your laundry standing up and putting away your dishes and reaching May be hard when you first start, but you do need to use your muscles or you lose them. A physical therapist can help you find a happy medium. I’ve suffered with things like gluteal tendinitis and my whole adult life and a program for stretching is really helpful. Maybe try ZAZZEE tart cherry capsules and see if you have any gout going on. They’re $20 on Amazon. I had a lot of inflammatory issues And although that’s different than an autoimmune disease they react similarly. Good luck oh and every once in a while, I’m a bad girl too, but I just feel like crap after I eat bad so I keep it to a minimum 😊

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I wish I could say that my autoimmune doesn't interfere with my exercise, but the myalgia makes it difficult to move or is exacerbated by exercise in recent years. It is related to my Hashimoto's because my numbers do not stay consistent. Avocados are actually good for you with good fats. I exercise as much as my body will allow. I am glad you are able to. Tried yoga again after a few years and it aggravates tendons and muscles, not joints. I tried the Stretch Zone for over a year, and it helped some areas, but aggravated the tendons. Acupuncture, Dry Needling, Myofascial Trigger Point therapy, red light therapy, herbals, vitamins all have not really helped. I still move and do YouTube dance and walk videos as much as I can. Forget weights. I am maintaining for now.

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I wish I could say that my autoimmune doesn't interfere with my exercise, but the myalgia makes it difficult to move or is exacerbated by exercise in recent years. It is related to my Hashimoto's because my numbers do not stay consistent. Avocados are actually good for you with good fats. I exercise as much as my body will allow. I am glad you are able to. Tried yoga again after a few years and it aggravates tendons and muscles, not joints. I tried the Stretch Zone for over a year, and it helped some areas, but aggravated the tendons. Acupuncture, Dry Needling, Myofascial Trigger Point therapy, red light therapy, herbals, vitamins all have not really helped. I still move and do YouTube dance and walk videos as much as I can. Forget weights. I am maintaining for now.

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sounds like you've done mostly everything I have! Botox helped me quite a bit, trigger points and even cortisone. I hope you tried a variety of MFR peeps. I use a guy who doesn't take insurance but it is well worth it for the relief he gives. I tried several. Also, my heating pad and I are best friends for 35 years.
I went through a period of getting tendinitis and having connective tissue pain everywhere. Thank god it stopped. Have you tried Bioidentical Hlormone replacement therapy? I went into menopause early. So I was on for 10 years. Off for 10 years and now back on and it helps with a lot of things. Also I figured out I had gout (not my dang doctors!) after 30 years and the Allopurinol was a godsend. My joints moved again! And finally two days ago i asked to be put on medicine for prediabetes. I stopped being able to control my A1C with diet. I was lightheaded and STARVING all the time! I went on Metformin which has no consequences and it was 100% AMAZING even for my overall joints/OA/Gout -- I feel like someone just goosed and greased my movement. My fatigue dropped. Only a couple days but another miracle step for me. I have a couple of neighbors who wouldn't let the doctor remove their thyroid and they overcame their problems with walking (hyperthyroidism but not Hashimoto). I am about to start some strength training because I have lost all of my muscle tone (its scary!) and then you get connective tissue pain because the muscles glue together and tug on the connective tissue. I never say die! Good luck!

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Statins to some of us are time bombs for severe myalgia, polymyalgia. Mine was so severe, it locked up my low back muscles and had to go to ER because I was stuck in fetal position. They definitely work. Zetia is okay but I need more. Repatha is prescribed. I will have to try and see what happens.

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I’ve been fortunate in that statins haven’t adversely affected me, accept for simvastatin. It gave me insomnia, and it was brutal. I can’t even imagine what you went through.

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sounds like you've done mostly everything I have! Botox helped me quite a bit, trigger points and even cortisone. I hope you tried a variety of MFR peeps. I use a guy who doesn't take insurance but it is well worth it for the relief he gives. I tried several. Also, my heating pad and I are best friends for 35 years.
I went through a period of getting tendinitis and having connective tissue pain everywhere. Thank god it stopped. Have you tried Bioidentical Hlormone replacement therapy? I went into menopause early. So I was on for 10 years. Off for 10 years and now back on and it helps with a lot of things. Also I figured out I had gout (not my dang doctors!) after 30 years and the Allopurinol was a godsend. My joints moved again! And finally two days ago i asked to be put on medicine for prediabetes. I stopped being able to control my A1C with diet. I was lightheaded and STARVING all the time! I went on Metformin which has no consequences and it was 100% AMAZING even for my overall joints/OA/Gout -- I feel like someone just goosed and greased my movement. My fatigue dropped. Only a couple days but another miracle step for me. I have a couple of neighbors who wouldn't let the doctor remove their thyroid and they overcame their problems with walking (hyperthyroidism but not Hashimoto). I am about to start some strength training because I have lost all of my muscle tone (its scary!) and then you get connective tissue pain because the muscles glue together and tug on the connective tissue. I never say die! Good luck!

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Just had my hormones tested and Testosterone was high, Estradiol was normal. We were checking because of the fatigue. My Glucose now every test is reaching around 100 or over. My TENS unit is my friend. I can feel my muscle tone disappearing and even though I do cardio, not enough, it isn't going to help my muscles. We all need strength training and being a senior, I can tell. I vacuum now and it takes 2 days for shoulders and back to stop hurting. I have always been a member of a gym on and off since my 20's and have kept active, but something just interfering now. Connective tissues problems sound like what I have going on. All over. I wore a small, heeled shoe the other night and my ankles hurt the next day, not joints, the tissue around the ankles. Just weird. I do have to step up and do more than 30 minutes a day of active exercise, the fatigue hinders also. I will keep on researching and maybe a blood test one day will show something.

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I’ve been fortunate in that statins haven’t adversely affected me, accept for simvastatin. It gave me insomnia, and it was brutal. I can’t even imagine what you went through.

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Insomnia is just another thing going on with no clues. I so wish I could have stayed on statins. They really did help. Even Red Yeast Rice is a natural alternative but discovered it has a component in it that works like a statin. So good to hear people with success.

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Just had my hormones tested and Testosterone was high, Estradiol was normal. We were checking because of the fatigue. My Glucose now every test is reaching around 100 or over. My TENS unit is my friend. I can feel my muscle tone disappearing and even though I do cardio, not enough, it isn't going to help my muscles. We all need strength training and being a senior, I can tell. I vacuum now and it takes 2 days for shoulders and back to stop hurting. I have always been a member of a gym on and off since my 20's and have kept active, but something just interfering now. Connective tissues problems sound like what I have going on. All over. I wore a small, heeled shoe the other night and my ankles hurt the next day, not joints, the tissue around the ankles. Just weird. I do have to step up and do more than 30 minutes a day of active exercise, the fatigue hinders also. I will keep on researching and maybe a blood test one day will show something.

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You sound a lot like me! It sounds like the inflammatory reaction I have when I do weeding or vacuuming as you say! My whole body freezes up after a little bit of exertion. I had gout. (is that more correct to say I have gout?) After 30 years of having the same problem somebody here recommended the tart cherry capsules. I bought the ZAZZEE tart cherry capsules on Amazon for $20 and in 24 hours my whole body inflammatory condition kind of stopped! The next time I did housework and we did I did not have that physical hangover. Why don’t you try it and see if it helps you. The second thing is now the metformin. My A1c was borderline at 5.5 5.6. I pushed to try the metformin because there’s no consequences. That made a huge difference as well. My bones and muscles seem to glide over each other. I asked my doctor for the metformin for the insulin resistance and for the belly fat I have been accumulating and not being able to read myself of. Why it would make a dramatic impact on my body overall I don’t know, but it feels like things are just gliding over each other my lightheadedness has stopped and I don’t have weird cravings for sweets and no longer ravenously hungry. I am also wondering how that plays into the allopurinol I take for gout? And I don’t believe my doctor is gonna know the answer but the lab test won’t lie. I’ll ask for some more lab tests.
You are having an inflammatory reaction. That’s what the ankle situation the way you explained it tells me. 20 years ago I was diagnosed with OA, carpal tunnel, stenosis, and something else in my wrist and hands. I used to type, and my hands would end up being braces. If I didn’t attend to it, my elbows would start hurting, and it was all attributed to connective tissue issues. Today I have zero problems I have learned a lot of things over 25 years how to not put too much pressure on my connective tissue and to use better positioning when I type paint or weed. This all seemed to correspond about the time that I went through menopause. If your testosterone is high, then you shouldn’t be fatigued! And if you are, it indicates to me at least that your you may be insulin resistant my glucose is less than yours, but there you have it. It’s the A1c that tells you better.

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You sound a lot like me! It sounds like the inflammatory reaction I have when I do weeding or vacuuming as you say! My whole body freezes up after a little bit of exertion. I had gout. (is that more correct to say I have gout?) After 30 years of having the same problem somebody here recommended the tart cherry capsules. I bought the ZAZZEE tart cherry capsules on Amazon for $20 and in 24 hours my whole body inflammatory condition kind of stopped! The next time I did housework and we did I did not have that physical hangover. Why don’t you try it and see if it helps you. The second thing is now the metformin. My A1c was borderline at 5.5 5.6. I pushed to try the metformin because there’s no consequences. That made a huge difference as well. My bones and muscles seem to glide over each other. I asked my doctor for the metformin for the insulin resistance and for the belly fat I have been accumulating and not being able to read myself of. Why it would make a dramatic impact on my body overall I don’t know, but it feels like things are just gliding over each other my lightheadedness has stopped and I don’t have weird cravings for sweets and no longer ravenously hungry. I am also wondering how that plays into the allopurinol I take for gout? And I don’t believe my doctor is gonna know the answer but the lab test won’t lie. I’ll ask for some more lab tests.
You are having an inflammatory reaction. That’s what the ankle situation the way you explained it tells me. 20 years ago I was diagnosed with OA, carpal tunnel, stenosis, and something else in my wrist and hands. I used to type, and my hands would end up being braces. If I didn’t attend to it, my elbows would start hurting, and it was all attributed to connective tissue issues. Today I have zero problems I have learned a lot of things over 25 years how to not put too much pressure on my connective tissue and to use better positioning when I type paint or weed. This all seemed to correspond about the time that I went through menopause. If your testosterone is high, then you shouldn’t be fatigued! And if you are, it indicates to me at least that your you may be insulin resistant my glucose is less than yours, but there you have it. It’s the A1c that tells you better.

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Thanks. I have heard tart cherry is supposed to be very helpful. Nothing tried is nothing gained. Agree, I have some inflammatory reaction. I do need another A1c test to see if I am going that direction. I do have one kidney that is only 60% functioning from childhood. We can't figure out why. It has scarring, so from some time I got really sick but not hospitalized. The testosterone being high not sure if there are any symptoms other than being hairy and I do get whiskers and lip hair but so do many women. Insulin resistance is something to research and how do you rectify?

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I wish I could say that my autoimmune doesn't interfere with my exercise, but the myalgia makes it difficult to move or is exacerbated by exercise in recent years. It is related to my Hashimoto's because my numbers do not stay consistent. Avocados are actually good for you with good fats. I exercise as much as my body will allow. I am glad you are able to. Tried yoga again after a few years and it aggravates tendons and muscles, not joints. I tried the Stretch Zone for over a year, and it helped some areas, but aggravated the tendons. Acupuncture, Dry Needling, Myofascial Trigger Point therapy, red light therapy, herbals, vitamins all have not really helped. I still move and do YouTube dance and walk videos as much as I can. Forget weights. I am maintaining for now.

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I also have Hashimotos and the same problems. My tsh is always on the low side. I take 126 levothyroxine. My last number was .579 still normal but low. How does yours run?

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Lately it has been very low for me. From 0.37 to 1.47 to 0.91 with a 4.18 thrown in. I sometimes just purchase my own test through Quest when I am feeling off because if I go to the doctor all the time to check, they will just think I am crazy. My myalgia has been worse and maybe because anything under 1 or over 3 just makes me feel like poo. I take 100 mcg of Levo right now, but it has been tweaked so much I just have to test myself. Fatigue, constipation, pain, insomnia get bad when under or over.

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Hi, Maggie 25. I am consuming 2-3 tbsps of 100% Extra Virginia Olive Oil and Green Tea each day to lower my cholesterol. Have a doctor appt in Sept. We'll see if it is working. I know that EVOO works. At least all comments I have read say that. Just to let you know 🙂 donna

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