Lowering LDL to help bones

Posted by maggie25 @maggie25, Aug 15, 2024

I recently consulted with Keith McCormick, DC, (author of the excellent book "Great Bones"), who said I have to get my LDL down. Until reading about it in his book, I had never heard of high cholesterol affecting bones. High cholesterol runs in my family. Since the consultation I have been eating almost only healthy fats and reducing my fat intake overall. For example, I used to eat a fair amount of cheese and crackers and am switching to carrot sticks and hummus or baba ganoush. More fish and chicken and less red meat. It has resulted in a little weight loss but also seems to have eliminated edema at the ankles. I have very thin bones to start with and 5 vertebral fractures. I wonder how long it takes to show a difference in LDL. Has anyone has success reducing cholesterol with diet?

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You sound a lot like me with the hyper lipidemia and the inability to tolerate medicines and especially statins! My dad tolerated statins exceptionally well for 25 years! So you are correct one size does not fit all even with inherited disorders.let me give you A couple things I didn’t see covered in what you wrote that worked for me that might work for you as well:
Fish. I landed onto this because I took in a Ukrainian refugee who ate lots of fish. After actively trying to lower my cholesterol, my cholesterol dropped in three months by 40 points when she left so did most of the fish and my cholesterol bounce back up I resumed, including more fish. Be careful you don’t add fish that has purines in it. If you were gout prone, I do tilapia, salmon, Tuna, cod, things that are wild and not formed. My cholesterol which reacted to nothing is sits now at 186!
The second thing that I’m doing is LEQVIO. It is a twice a year injection, gluten and lactose free, which was how I access it. It has zero side effects and it controls the laying down plaque in my arteries. The plaque will go up a little bit in the first year if you test, because it’s being loosened, but after that, it gets stable and starts to go down. I feel really confident about that one. I take vitamin D for my A1c. It stays right in the middle of where they are both supposed to be they Does have to be adjusted every decade.

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Good for you! My insurance will not cover LEQVIO but will cover Repatha which is every 2 weeks. I hope Repatha is just as good. Can't take statins either and those helped my cholesterol. Zetia is just not doing 100% alone.

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yes. It takes me 3 months to show significant level changes. The reason being that this is the space I have to wait to take a new blood test. @maggie25.
@loyd1957 eat more fish. Stop eating "white" things like bread and rice and switch to brown and whole grains. I don't think you'll have any problem changing your numbers. Add some exercise in to be sure and you'll see change.
I don't know if high cholesterol effects bones. that is a new one on me! I took nutritional chemistry in college. It could be that high cholesterol makes people out of shape and exercise less. and that is bad on bones!

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@ccduplass

I was on Tymlos for about five months. Then, our insurance changed and would no longer support it, so I eventually (after about six weeks of no med) was placed on generic Forteo (which the new insurance company does pay for). I have had little to no side effects from either!

When first on Tymlos, I did notice some light headedness and heart racing in the first hour or so after injecting. That eventually went away. I did hydrate with some zero sugar gatoraide to try to combat that—and it seemed to help. I inject before bed. Later on with Tymlos I did feel like once in a while I would experience sharp and fleeting pain in my legs or feet once in a while. But I’m not sure that was Tymlos. Once in a while with the generic Forteo, if I am up doing things after injecting, I will have momentary light headedness. But it is very momentary. I have been on the generic Forteo for about seven months now.

I am very grateful to have these meds! I hope all works well for you!

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Thank you so much for your helpful reply

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yes. It takes me 3 months to show significant level changes. The reason being that this is the space I have to wait to take a new blood test. @maggie25.
@loyd1957 eat more fish. Stop eating "white" things like bread and rice and switch to brown and whole grains. I don't think you'll have any problem changing your numbers. Add some exercise in to be sure and you'll see change.
I don't know if high cholesterol effects bones. that is a new one on me! I took nutritional chemistry in college. It could be that high cholesterol makes people out of shape and exercise less. and that is bad on bones!

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I have done much of that already but doesn't seem to make a difference. It changes with ebb and flow. I wish it were as simple as diet and exercise. I feel with most people it is, but some it is just genetics. My father died at 47 from CAD - coronary artery disease in 1973 before surgeries and medicines. He did smoke which I feel is more of a wreckage on arteries. Will keep trying to do what I can do at 68 and maybe the Repatha will help.

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I have done much of that already but doesn't seem to make a difference. It changes with ebb and flow. I wish it were as simple as diet and exercise. I feel with most people it is, but some it is just genetics. My father died at 47 from CAD - coronary artery disease in 1973 before surgeries and medicines. He did smoke which I feel is more of a wreckage on arteries. Will keep trying to do what I can do at 68 and maybe the Repatha will help.

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I agree it’s not simple especially if you have CAD! I’ve got the family to prove that. However, we don’t realize what we do to our bodies and what we inject really makes a huge difference. An example is people will give up eggs but eat plant based fats which are worse. If you would like to share your dietary routine and exercise frequency I will take a look and see if there any suggestions I can make. My triglycerides shot up over a couple years and lowered them by 1/3 in 3 months by some very simple changes. IF you change your exercise type there are ways to diminish making plaque which your body is predisposed to doing because of your specific genetics.

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I agree it’s not simple especially if you have CAD! I’ve got the family to prove that. However, we don’t realize what we do to our bodies and what we inject really makes a huge difference. An example is people will give up eggs but eat plant based fats which are worse. If you would like to share your dietary routine and exercise frequency I will take a look and see if there any suggestions I can make. My triglycerides shot up over a couple years and lowered them by 1/3 in 3 months by some very simple changes. IF you change your exercise type there are ways to diminish making plaque which your body is predisposed to doing because of your specific genetics.

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Hi. Can you tell me how you lowered your triglycerides? Thank you!

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Hi. Can you tell me how you lowered your triglycerides? Thank you!

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It was super easy! (if you call changing bad habits at 68 easy, lol!) I got rid of everything “white.” That was the way one of my neighbors put it. No white rice eat brown rice, no white pasta, eat brown rice or quinoa pasta, no white potatoes, eat, rose potatoes. I cut down on my carbs. They had gotten a little out of hand. I had higher protein. For example, in the morning I had eggs.(with low fat/low lactose cheeses like Munster) whole grain toast with avocado, a piece of fruit maybe a slice of turkey bacon; for lunch I had quinoa brown rice, pasta with veggies and olive oil sprinkled Parmesan/feta pieces of chicken or a ham sandwich on whole-grain bread with grilled cheese, tomato, carrots, and cucumber on the side, for dinner a nice size piece of salmon or cod, deli, chicken, lean pork or lamb with a side of brown rice, pinto beans (I eat a lot of beans), some microwaved or steam veggies like zucchini, broccoli carrots) ; I do flavor my food with a variety of condiments. I hate bland food. I like silk soy milk, the 8 g protein one and I’ll have a cookie with it or I’ll have a bowl of yogurt with banana blueberries or strawberries. I love melons. Rinse and repeat! I have coffee with silk creamer in the morning and lactose free half-and-half and I like seltzer waters and diet five mango cranberry water down or cold brew tea and at dinner I’ll have a touch of wine

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I was taking a statin, and inflammation scores went through the roof as I was in so much pain. Stopped statins and now on Zetia. Not doing enough. Also did an advanced lipids test and Apo B and Lpa are both high. My CT calcium test was low but that doesn't mean I don't have soft build up starting. My cardiologist recommended to prescriptions that are injections. One my insurance company will not pay for, but Repatha they will. I need to ask if Repatha will actually help the Lpa and Apo B?

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Hi,
Now that I’m on Repatha, I was taken off statins, stayed on Zetia. My cardiologist put me on the Repatha. It is VERY expensive. My cholesterol tanked when injecting every two weeks, so the cardiologist moved it to every three weeks, and now once a month. Considering the cost, I’m glad once a month works!

My Apo B is off the charts and the Lpa. Cardiologist said those are not likely to change much, but the Repatha and Zetia keep the other numbers low to apparently help offset the high ApoB and Lpa. I’m a regular exerciser and vegan. My high ApoB and Lpa have nothing to do with diet. My cholesterol numbers have always been really good and I am grateful the cardiologist checked the Apo B and Lpa so other things can be done to try and off set the high numbers. My calcium score sucks, too 😂 some genetics I’ve inherited are great - others, not so much.

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It was super easy! (if you call changing bad habits at 68 easy, lol!) I got rid of everything “white.” That was the way one of my neighbors put it. No white rice eat brown rice, no white pasta, eat brown rice or quinoa pasta, no white potatoes, eat, rose potatoes. I cut down on my carbs. They had gotten a little out of hand. I had higher protein. For example, in the morning I had eggs.(with low fat/low lactose cheeses like Munster) whole grain toast with avocado, a piece of fruit maybe a slice of turkey bacon; for lunch I had quinoa brown rice, pasta with veggies and olive oil sprinkled Parmesan/feta pieces of chicken or a ham sandwich on whole-grain bread with grilled cheese, tomato, carrots, and cucumber on the side, for dinner a nice size piece of salmon or cod, deli, chicken, lean pork or lamb with a side of brown rice, pinto beans (I eat a lot of beans), some microwaved or steam veggies like zucchini, broccoli carrots) ; I do flavor my food with a variety of condiments. I hate bland food. I like silk soy milk, the 8 g protein one and I’ll have a cookie with it or I’ll have a bowl of yogurt with banana blueberries or strawberries. I love melons. Rinse and repeat! I have coffee with silk creamer in the morning and lactose free half-and-half and I like seltzer waters and diet five mango cranberry water down or cold brew tea and at dinner I’ll have a touch of wine

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And one other thing I forgot @susanop — I take one Vascepa (fish oil tablet) the doctor prescribed. It didn’t seem to do anything at all a few years ago when I took it religiously so I stopped, but this time when I wanted to drop my triglycerides, I added it back in to my dietary change. It’s covered by Medicare I believe, but if not, you can pick up a good fish oil capsule at your local drugstore. The Vascepa does not have any aftertaste or burping. It digest really easily and well.

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It was super easy! (if you call changing bad habits at 68 easy, lol!) I got rid of everything “white.” That was the way one of my neighbors put it. No white rice eat brown rice, no white pasta, eat brown rice or quinoa pasta, no white potatoes, eat, rose potatoes. I cut down on my carbs. They had gotten a little out of hand. I had higher protein. For example, in the morning I had eggs.(with low fat/low lactose cheeses like Munster) whole grain toast with avocado, a piece of fruit maybe a slice of turkey bacon; for lunch I had quinoa brown rice, pasta with veggies and olive oil sprinkled Parmesan/feta pieces of chicken or a ham sandwich on whole-grain bread with grilled cheese, tomato, carrots, and cucumber on the side, for dinner a nice size piece of salmon or cod, deli, chicken, lean pork or lamb with a side of brown rice, pinto beans (I eat a lot of beans), some microwaved or steam veggies like zucchini, broccoli carrots) ; I do flavor my food with a variety of condiments. I hate bland food. I like silk soy milk, the 8 g protein one and I’ll have a cookie with it or I’ll have a bowl of yogurt with banana blueberries or strawberries. I love melons. Rinse and repeat! I have coffee with silk creamer in the morning and lactose free half-and-half and I like seltzer waters and diet five mango cranberry water down or cold brew tea and at dinner I’ll have a touch of wine

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Thanks so much! I'm 68 too and plant-based (vegan except for fish on occasion). But my LDL runs high in my family, and my triglycerides, while on the low side (probably because I avoid sugar), are creeping up. I think I'm consuming too many carbs, even though they are all complex carbs.

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