Gleason 7 (4+3), ECE, PSA 3 – Considering IMRT + ADT vs. Surgery –
Hi everyone,
I’ve recently been diagnosed with Gleason 4+3=7 prostate cancer, with extracapsular extension (ECE) and a PSA of 3 I'm 63 year of age. My Urologist tends to lean toward the tumor being solely contained whereas the Radiation Oncologist is treating it as truly being ECE. The radiologist that read the MRI stated "Broad-based capsular abutment raising consideration for ECE without capsular irregularity or bulging event". The pathologist also mentioned "FINDINGS SUGGESTIVE OF EXTRAPROSTATIC EXTENSION" but did not make any mention of the biopsy sample containing either membrane material or fatty tissue from outside the prostate gland so I'm sort of confused as to how they could make that statement. The Urologist told me that every effort is make to ensure the biopsy does not extend outside the prostate gland/membrane.
I'm leaning toward assuming that ECE is truly my case. I’ve been weighing treatment options and would really appreciate hearing from others who’ve been through this or have insights.
Current Options I’m Considering:
• IMRT (Intensity-Modulated Radiation Therapy) + Hormonal Therapy (ADT)
• Radical Prostatectomy
• Possibly Proton Therapy as well (Would need to travel to Atlanta daily ~50 miles)
What I’ve learned so far:
• Cure rates for IMRT + ADT seem to be around 88–92% in my risk group.
• Proton therapy offers similar outcomes, with maybe fewer rectal side effects short-term.
• Surgery carries a higher risk of positive margins when tumors abut the capsule (as mine does).
• Hormonal therapy (ADT) adds side effects like fatigue, ED, hot flashes, and mood shifts — most of which seem reversible if therapy is short-term.
• Long-term radiation side effects include 5–10% risk of urinary/bowel issues and ~50% chance of ED.
I’m trying to balance cancer control with long-term quality of life. I’d love to hear:
🔹 What treatment did you choose and why?
🔹 How have you handled long-term side effects (urinary, bowel, sexual)?
🔹 Would you do anything differently?
🔹 Any regrets or surprises along the way?
Thanks so much in advance — it means a lot to hear from those who’ve been through it.
- Tim
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i had my 4th 3t parametric mri in march 25
as a result of then going to 5 cancer centers the mri has been read by radiology 5 times. only the 4th center said minimal ece and the RO said could do sbrt mr linac.
the 5th center where i will get sbrt said no ece and RO at mskcc agreed.
i suggest getting a second opinion.
I was 4 + 3 = 7 with PSA going from 4.0 - 7.1 before treatment. My MRI showed no lesions and only 2 out of 17 biopsy cores showed any cancer with the second core at 3+4 = 7. I also had three gold markers + gel spacer prior to radiation start.
I chose IMRT + one high dose brachytherapy "boost" procedure and six months Orgovyx ADT. The only post treatment side effect I had was urinary frequency. No blood in urine, no pain, no incontinence/leakage...I feel fine.
3 Months post treatment a PSA showed me down to 0,.04. Hoping this remains steady near zero over time.
My biggest advice is to get treated at a major university based "center of excellence" with a multi-disciplinary approach to diagnosing and treating PC. I am glad I did this and am hopeful my treatment will hold long term.
I wanted no part of surgery as I understood post procedural side effects up to 50% of patients often permanent
Congrats on successful and uneventful treatment : )! May your PSA reach even lower levels and stay there forever !
However, I just want to correct your statistic about incontinence - 50 % is absolutely not correct information. People read those statistics half way and than make wrong conclusions. Yes, IMMEDIATELY after surgery and up to 3 months about 50 % of patients will have SOME leaking, but by 12 mos 95% will have FULL continence. The rest will need more time and more exercise and some small % will need surgical help with it.
Going to a "center of excellence" is VERY important for any treatment (RP or RT) , however final results depend of many, many factors beyond doctor's expertise or what a facility can offer.