Concerned that I have hit BCR
Diagnosed at 52. PSA 2.5. 4+3 with cribrifrom and IDC. RALP. clean margins, 5% tumor volume, no lymph or sv invasion.
My onc uses a lab for < 0.03 and I have undetectable for 2 years. This week though my PSA was 0.04. I am sad, angry and scared. Is my cancer back on? I am meeting my onc for annual checkup this week. What should I be asking him?
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Yup, a shit sandwich with extra on the side for dipping…your cancer is NOT your Dad’s - they’re all different.
Also, newer drugs mean less side effects and better diagnostic tools can help your team hit the cancer earlier.
I will say this again: find the VERY BEST TEAM AVAILABLE for your situation - no short cuts, no BS about it being too far away or inconvenient.
If you are really scared to death, act like it and go the extra mile to get the best. More than that you cannot do…
BTW, I am retired and loving every freakin minute of it - the ADT and my trips to Sloan were still better than going to work🤣!!
Phil
Thanks Phil. I am in Seattle so am working with Fred Hutch which is a top facility I believe.
Thanks Phil. My last PSA at year 3 after surgery was .24. All anxiety and negative feelings have returned in spades. Your advice is sound for Cmoto and all of us. I just feel like I'm on the outside looking in again on the world without cancer. I know you're right and have to say F*#k it and get treated and keep a good attitude as things could be worse. I'm so damn mad and disappointed though.
+.2 is considered BCR. You are a long way from there. I would ask about it and also ask about testing every 3-6 months. I never went below .03 and ended up BCR 2 years post RP. Had radiation and finished ADT 10 days ago, so back on the testing clock in 3 months. Don't forget to get the most out of every single day. Fear and projection can ruin that ability. Best wishes on your journey.
3 1/2 years after surgery, my PSA hit .2 and I had to have salvage radiation. There’s a good reason to get it at that level. Don’t wait too long. Here are some information about that.
From Ascopubs about what PSA to do salvage radiation.
≤0.2 ng/mL: Starting at this level maximizes disease control and long-term survival. Patients treated at PSA < 0.2 ng/mL achieve higher rates of undetectable post-SRT PSA (56-70%) and improved 5-year progression-free survival (62.7-75%). Delaying SRT beyond PSA ≥0.25 ng/mL increases mortality risk by ~50%.
0.2–0.5 ng/mL: Still effective, particularly for patients with low-risk features (e.g., Gleason ≤7, slow PSA doubling time). The Journal of Clinical Oncology recommends SRT before PSA exceeds 0.25 ng/mL to preserve curative potential.
0.5–1.0 ng/mL: Salvage radiation remains beneficial but may require combining with androgen deprivation therapy (ADT) for higher-risk cases.
Yup - mad, disappointed, anxious…it’s a freakin curse, man, but what keeps me grounded is having seen friends and family in the rosy bloom of supposed health struck down in months or less with no recourse, no treatment and no hope.
The fact that I have avenues STILL open to me after two rounds with this mofo, keeps me sane and in the fight!
Phil
Agree.
Met with my surgeon onc today. Reassuring to some degree. We are testing again at 6 and 12 weeks. He ordered a decipher and I will reconnect with my RO and MO from diagnosis. No action until it hits .1 depending on decipher this is adt and salvage or wait for PSMA at .2. Now to manage the ongoing test anxiety - he connected with resources for that. Also he said that outcomes post any recurrence are good - many treatments, many years. He also said that for some people the test result can stabilize or even revert to undetectable. Back to living with uncertainty which is the way for any cancer survivor. Thanks for the support!
Seems like pretty good news to me. I hope you just had a slight bounce and it's nothing.
Dr. Mark Sholz just posted this a couple of weeks ago about salvage radiation. I'm not advocating one way or another. Just more information. Video located at https://g.co/kgs/Dosndcr. Abstract 352 from a recently held ASCO conference talks about salvage radiation and at the 10:50 mark of the video it talks about PSMA scans and their level of sensitivity.