PSMA PET Scan

Posted by WingNut @ucfron, Jul 21 11:02am

Does anyone know if the PSMA PET Scan will also find any non-prostate cancer cells as well, or is it specific to PSA? I had a PSMA PET Scan due to a high elevated PSA test, and confirming MRI and Biopsy, and the PSMA PET Scan should no spread outside of the prostate. Just wanted to find out if other cancers are seen on this prostate specific type of scan?

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PSMA PET scans are specific to PSMA. A PSMA PET scan will identify any organ, tissue, or fluid expressing PSMA.

As it turns out, PSMA (prostate specific membrane antigen) is not really “prostate specific.” There are other organs, tissues, and fluids that naturally express PSMA (without being cancerous) and will show as physiologic tracer uptake on a PSMA PET scan - particularly in the lacrimal (tear) and parotid (salivary) glands, blood, liver, spleen, pancreas, ganglia, and more, as well as the kidneys, ureters and the bladder (as the body tries to quickly excrete the radioligand that was injected).

As always, discuss all this with your doctor when you get your SUVmax scores from your PSMA PET scan report.

Dr. Johnson (of Mayo Clinic) talks about all this in his presentation, starting with the scans we’ve all heard about (MRI, bone, & CT scans), and then going into detail about PSMA PET scans: https://youtu.be/JoJomACA5UM

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How long ago did you have surgery and what was your age? Are you experiencing any side affects. Are you happy you did? I know second guessing isn't good, just curious. I really don't know what to do.

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For what it's worth, I'm 54 and was recommended surgery, without a single one of my nine doctors recommending radiation (3 x urologist, 3 x radiation oncologist, 3 x medical oncologist). I was 3 + 4, but I was told to avoid radiation since I was likely to live long enough to see the side effects of it and was healthy enough to overcome the surgery and any side effects. There is also a chance of irradiating your bowels, meaning your incontinence issues could be much, much, worse. That chance might be pretty small, but it was clear: radiation as a back up method if RARP doesn't work.

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PSMA PET scans are specific to PSMA. A PSMA PET scan will identify any organ, tissue, or fluid expressing PSMA.

As it turns out, PSMA (prostate specific membrane antigen) is not really “prostate specific.” There are other organs, tissues, and fluids that naturally express PSMA (without being cancerous) and will show as physiologic tracer uptake on a PSMA PET scan - particularly in the lacrimal (tear) and parotid (salivary) glands, blood, liver, spleen, pancreas, ganglia, and more, as well as the kidneys, ureters and the bladder (as the body tries to quickly excrete the radioligand that was injected).

As always, discuss all this with your doctor when you get your SUVmax scores from your PSMA PET scan report.

Dr. Johnson (of Mayo Clinic) talks about all this in his presentation, starting with the scans we’ve all heard about (MRI, bone, & CT scans), and then going into detail about PSMA PET scans: https://youtu.be/JoJomACA5UM

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Thank you for the info. My PSMA PET Scan SUVmax is 7.1 and described as Moderately Intense.

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For what it's worth, I'm 54 and was recommended surgery, without a single one of my nine doctors recommending radiation (3 x urologist, 3 x radiation oncologist, 3 x medical oncologist). I was 3 + 4, but I was told to avoid radiation since I was likely to live long enough to see the side effects of it and was healthy enough to overcome the surgery and any side effects. There is also a chance of irradiating your bowels, meaning your incontinence issues could be much, much, worse. That chance might be pretty small, but it was clear: radiation as a back up method if RARP doesn't work.

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While normal radiation, can cause problems after many years proton radiation has been used in children and younger people because it has a very low incidence of side effects.

If you watch the 2023 PCRI Video and see Dr. Carl Rossi talking about radiation you find some interesting things. For one he’s been doing Proton radiation treatments since 1994 when they built a building for the machine in San Diego. The first patient was the person that invented it, He lived to over 100. He has done Proton radiation on over 13,000 prostate cancer patients.
That video link is


And then there is the side effect question, Something Stanford looked into. I know that for me after having salvage radiation 11 years ago, the only problem I’ve had is some incontinence, And that could be due to the surgery as much as the radiation.

Stanford Edu

In a study of about 145,000 men with prostate cancer, the team found that the rate of developing a later cancer is 0.5% higher for those who received radiation treatment than for those who did not. Among men who received radiation, 3% developed another cancer, while among those who were treated without radiation, 2.5% developed another cancer.
Here is a link to the full study from Stanford
Prostate radiation only slightly increases the risk of developing another cancer, Stanford researchers find
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/070/prostate-radiation-slightly-increases-the-risk-of-developing-ano.html

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Thank you for the info. My PSMA PET Scan SUVmax is 7.1 and described as Moderately Intense.

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Here’s how they grade them —>

“SUV” stands for “standard uptake value” and is a measure of radiotracer uptake that indicates how high grade the cancer is. The higher the SUVmax, the more advanced the cancer.

So, they use the PSMA SUVmax values of your blood (as the lowest level), liver (as the medium level), and parotid (or lacrimal) glands (as the highest level) of SUVmax expression for comparison.

If a suspicious area (lesion) is expressing PSMA, and it has:
> a PSMA SUV score less than blood, then it’s not likely cancer, but instead just normal, background PSMA cellular expression;

> a PSMA SUV score greater than blood, but lower than liver, then it’s likely low-grade prostate cancer;

> a PSMA SUV score greater than liver, but lower than lacrimal/parotid glands, then it’s likely moderate-grade prostate cancer;

> a PSMA SUV score greater than parotid glands, then it’s likely high-grade prostate cancer.

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Interesting. So how do I determine if my 7.1 is low, medium or high??

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It might be worth noting that other tissues light up on PSMA PET/CT. The salivary glands, bladder, etc. But the radiologists know that and take the appearance elsewhere into account.

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❝ My concern was that I have several indicators❞

That's a very normal and understandable situation. After a cancer diagnosis, we can become hypersensitized to little aches and pains that we would have ignored or downplayed before. ❤️

You've had all the best tests done, and while there's never a 100% guarantee, it's probably safe to trust them for a while, at least to to the same extent you trust that a bridge won't fall on you when you drive under it

When I apologized to my family doctor for worrying about so many aches and pains early on (to the extent she was booking double appointments for me), she told me two things

1. It's a normal reaction to a new cancer diagnosis.

2. If I were still doing that in 5 years, then she'd be concerned.

In fact, after about two years I stopped worrying. I still mention anything new to my oncologist, but as I approach the 4-year mark, I no longer feel that sense of panic: listing them is just routine due diligence now.

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Thanks North, you’ve always been very helpful!

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Interesting. So how do I determine if my 7.1 is low, medium or high??

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Discuss your case with ChatGPT and you will get a correct answer to your question. It's shocking how accurate it is compared to what 2 urologists, 1 oncologist and the Mayo clinic urologist told me. The more details you tell it the better the resonse.

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