yup been my take for the last 6 or so years, but I will say I have found a day to day shoe that tops all the rest, a bit trendy but the most comfortable shoes yet. the Hoda Bondi 8 is the only shoe that would come in a bonna fide 4 and 5 x width, the toe box is massive and would accommodate a shock but now I am down to finding a sock that will absorb sweat and odor. but I just cant seem to find socks that are not confining, light or thin enough to take care of that