Switch from hydrocodone to Oxycodone?

Posted by phxratt1 @phxratt1, Jun 19 12:01pm

Hi all, I've had 3 lumbar surgeries, and still having pain 18 months after last one. My pain dr has me on 10/325 hydrocodone 2X/day that doesn't seem to do much. Has anyone with lower back pain switched from hydrocodone to Oxycodone, and did it make a difference? I'm being told Oxycodone is more potent. Thanks.

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I have had three lumbar surgeries and two cervical. The pain lingered for years. I'm told I will need another lumbar for adjacent disc disease that is quite advanced. I won't do it. If three didn't work, why a fourth. I also have severe degenerative spine all through my cervical and lumbar. I lived a hard life.
I am an alcoholic with 19 years of recovery, and a retired drug and alcohol counselor. I've seen a LOT of issues with pain medications that were started innocently. Almost always after a surgery when the body tells the mind it is still in pain. It's REAL pain, it is the nerves continuing to fire and sending the signal that it needs help. BUT, there is also a drug reaction in the brain. It craves the dopamine and relief it feels with the opiate. It is unconscious and constant. The more it "craves" relief, the greater the pain that is felt.
What I found helpful was mindfulness. I know, it's what all the doctors want you to do so they don't have to prescribe pain meds. It made me VERY upset for a long time. However, I found a counselor who was a Budist (coincidental) and for 7 years I worked on Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT). I learned how to communicate with my pain, and therefore calm it. There is a good book out there called "Train Your Brain to Treat Chronic Pain" by Carly Hunt PhD, or "Living Beyond Your Pain: Using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy to Ease Chronic Pain" by JoAnne Dahl PhD , Tobias Lundgren MS, et al. Both books are good, both helpful IF you are ready to let go of your pain!
My chronic pain eventually turned into Polymyalgia Rheumatica which is a chronic inflammation throughout my body. Now I am on Prednisone for the next couple of years and hope it put it into remission.
Good luck with your chronic pain, doctors can't prescribe opiates in escalating doses because the government will hunt them down, take away their license and put them in prison. It's pretty sad.

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@philipsnowdon

Hello to all of my fellow pain management patients. I’ve been suffering from debilitating pain for over 30 years and have tried everything but FENTANYL patches.
Firstly, every patient experiences pain differently. If there were ever a case for “NON ONE SIZE FITS ALL,” pain management is the epitome of that expression.
In short, keep trying different pain medications until you find the one and dosage with the best and most effective efficacy!
Personally, I use OXYCODONE.
Be absolutely thankful and grateful if you have a physician and pharmacy who are willing to fill any kind of OPIOID medications, it has and continues to be a struggle to obtain opioids for pain management for over 30 years and becomes more and more difficult all of the time,
At best, most of us will be able to manage severe, chronic pain. It’s a misnomer for most patients to be able to “control their pain!”
Type, duration and exacerbation of pain will require different dosages and strengths of pain meds at different times to try and maintain the same result.
Personally, I find it absolutely pathetic and dehumanizing that patients have to beg for their pain meds just so they can reduce the amount of tortuous suffering they must endure every day. It’s worse than dehumanizing. I am on pain meds throughout the day and without them I would be completely dysfunctional. As far as side effects are concerned. Unless I told somebody I was using pain meds they wouldn’t have any idea. They are like taking an effective dose of aspirin for me. I don’t get any kind of “high” and I certainly don’t feel any kind of euphoric state from them. I am similar to a diabetic taking insulin. If I don’t take enough than I will feel very badly. If I take what I need I feel much better. My medication just blocks the horrible amount of pain and discomfort I would be feeling if I weren’t taking them.
One of the biggest “MISNOMERS” propagated by the medical profession is that Pain meds, (especially opioids) don’t improve your underlying medical problems creating the pain. Therefore, they are of no benefit. That’s one of the most stupid and most irresponsible comments they could ever make. Opioids were never designed to treat the underlying problems or symptoms from any underlying disease or medical malady. However, if you don’t sufficiently treat the pain associated with patient’s medical malaise, the pain gets worse and worse and the patient feel.worse and worse which causes a serious decrease in the overall wellbeing of the patient! Opioids are the most effective pain treatment we have available to us as chronic pain patients. When the medical profession comes up with something more effective I will take it. Patients do not abuse or overdose on pain meds. Of course, some do just like anybody who uses alcohol could potentially become an alcoholic. However, most pain patients use their medication responsibly. The bigger problem to address is that most patients are “under medicated.”
Frankly, I could write for hours on the subject but do not have the cognitive or physical ability to do so. Good luck to everybody who seeks to be treated with genuine and authentic empathy in managing and treating their pain as effectively and empathetically as possible.
GODSPEED,
Phil

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Amen! Relieving severe chronic pain is in itself "healing"!

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@philipsnowdon

Hello to all of my fellow pain management patients. I’ve been suffering from debilitating pain for over 30 years and have tried everything but FENTANYL patches.
Firstly, every patient experiences pain differently. If there were ever a case for “NON ONE SIZE FITS ALL,” pain management is the epitome of that expression.
In short, keep trying different pain medications until you find the one and dosage with the best and most effective efficacy!
Personally, I use OXYCODONE.
Be absolutely thankful and grateful if you have a physician and pharmacy who are willing to fill any kind of OPIOID medications, it has and continues to be a struggle to obtain opioids for pain management for over 30 years and becomes more and more difficult all of the time,
At best, most of us will be able to manage severe, chronic pain. It’s a misnomer for most patients to be able to “control their pain!”
Type, duration and exacerbation of pain will require different dosages and strengths of pain meds at different times to try and maintain the same result.
Personally, I find it absolutely pathetic and dehumanizing that patients have to beg for their pain meds just so they can reduce the amount of tortuous suffering they must endure every day. It’s worse than dehumanizing. I am on pain meds throughout the day and without them I would be completely dysfunctional. As far as side effects are concerned. Unless I told somebody I was using pain meds they wouldn’t have any idea. They are like taking an effective dose of aspirin for me. I don’t get any kind of “high” and I certainly don’t feel any kind of euphoric state from them. I am similar to a diabetic taking insulin. If I don’t take enough than I will feel very badly. If I take what I need I feel much better. My medication just blocks the horrible amount of pain and discomfort I would be feeling if I weren’t taking them.
One of the biggest “MISNOMERS” propagated by the medical profession is that Pain meds, (especially opioids) don’t improve your underlying medical problems creating the pain. Therefore, they are of no benefit. That’s one of the most stupid and most irresponsible comments they could ever make. Opioids were never designed to treat the underlying problems or symptoms from any underlying disease or medical malady. However, if you don’t sufficiently treat the pain associated with patient’s medical malaise, the pain gets worse and worse and the patient feel.worse and worse which causes a serious decrease in the overall wellbeing of the patient! Opioids are the most effective pain treatment we have available to us as chronic pain patients. When the medical profession comes up with something more effective I will take it. Patients do not abuse or overdose on pain meds. Of course, some do just like anybody who uses alcohol could potentially become an alcoholic. However, most pain patients use their medication responsibly. The bigger problem to address is that most patients are “under medicated.”
Frankly, I could write for hours on the subject but do not have the cognitive or physical ability to do so. Good luck to everybody who seeks to be treated with genuine and authentic empathy in managing and treating their pain as effectively and empathetically as possible.
GODSPEED,
Phil

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Thank you Phil! Beautifully said!

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As someone who’s taken oxycodone for over seven years, I too feel like a drug addict or I’m treated like such. I am very careful about how many I take. Unlike a drug addict when I take my pills I actually wake up. Meaning I can get things done. I can read I can do all those things. Without the pills I would be regulated to doing nothing.

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@philipsnowdon

Hello to all of my fellow pain management patients. I’ve been suffering from debilitating pain for over 30 years and have tried everything but FENTANYL patches.
Firstly, every patient experiences pain differently. If there were ever a case for “NON ONE SIZE FITS ALL,” pain management is the epitome of that expression.
In short, keep trying different pain medications until you find the one and dosage with the best and most effective efficacy!
Personally, I use OXYCODONE.
Be absolutely thankful and grateful if you have a physician and pharmacy who are willing to fill any kind of OPIOID medications, it has and continues to be a struggle to obtain opioids for pain management for over 30 years and becomes more and more difficult all of the time,
At best, most of us will be able to manage severe, chronic pain. It’s a misnomer for most patients to be able to “control their pain!”
Type, duration and exacerbation of pain will require different dosages and strengths of pain meds at different times to try and maintain the same result.
Personally, I find it absolutely pathetic and dehumanizing that patients have to beg for their pain meds just so they can reduce the amount of tortuous suffering they must endure every day. It’s worse than dehumanizing. I am on pain meds throughout the day and without them I would be completely dysfunctional. As far as side effects are concerned. Unless I told somebody I was using pain meds they wouldn’t have any idea. They are like taking an effective dose of aspirin for me. I don’t get any kind of “high” and I certainly don’t feel any kind of euphoric state from them. I am similar to a diabetic taking insulin. If I don’t take enough than I will feel very badly. If I take what I need I feel much better. My medication just blocks the horrible amount of pain and discomfort I would be feeling if I weren’t taking them.
One of the biggest “MISNOMERS” propagated by the medical profession is that Pain meds, (especially opioids) don’t improve your underlying medical problems creating the pain. Therefore, they are of no benefit. That’s one of the most stupid and most irresponsible comments they could ever make. Opioids were never designed to treat the underlying problems or symptoms from any underlying disease or medical malady. However, if you don’t sufficiently treat the pain associated with patient’s medical malaise, the pain gets worse and worse and the patient feel.worse and worse which causes a serious decrease in the overall wellbeing of the patient! Opioids are the most effective pain treatment we have available to us as chronic pain patients. When the medical profession comes up with something more effective I will take it. Patients do not abuse or overdose on pain meds. Of course, some do just like anybody who uses alcohol could potentially become an alcoholic. However, most pain patients use their medication responsibly. The bigger problem to address is that most patients are “under medicated.”
Frankly, I could write for hours on the subject but do not have the cognitive or physical ability to do so. Good luck to everybody who seeks to be treated with genuine and authentic empathy in managing and treating their pain as effectively and empathetically as possible.
GODSPEED,
Phil

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You are absolutely correct. There is no reason why opioids should be on a banned list because it can become addictive. It is typical of this country to take one specific case and make it apply to all cases. Medical opioid use should be a patient right and not a regulated commodity.

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@charlie92plus

A friend of mine took Oxycodone for years after having a rod inserted to stabilize her spine. She often blanked out, even while driving. I believe it is now banned. Hydrocodone has been prescribed by my pain specialist and used when needed. No problems.

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It's not banned in the UK . I was offered it by my GP just last week. It has the same ingredients as Oxycontin. The only difference is , it works faster. I said hell no !

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Hi Archie here--

Where to begin?I think you're asking the wrong question. the issue is not should I take Med X versus Med Y, the question is, WHY DO I STILL HAVE SEVERE PAIN AFTER MAJOR SURGERY?

Please start to keep a journal daily of your activities, pain levels and medicine taken. Make an appointment with a PAIN MANAGEMENT DR, bring your journal and start the diagnostic process.

Right now, you are making up your own answers--not a good thing. I've been where you are, exactly, and you need help. I hope you can find the answers you need.

Good luck, Archie

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@archie2

Hi Archie here--

Where to begin?I think you're asking the wrong question. the issue is not should I take Med X versus Med Y, the question is, WHY DO I STILL HAVE SEVERE PAIN AFTER MAJOR SURGERY?

Please start to keep a journal daily of your activities, pain levels and medicine taken. Make an appointment with a PAIN MANAGEMENT DR, bring your journal and start the diagnostic process.

Right now, you are making up your own answers--not a good thing. I've been where you are, exactly, and you need help. I hope you can find the answers you need.

Good luck, Archie

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Thanks... I have done that process of keeping a daily pain journal, which meds I'm taking at that time, and what my pain level is each day. I have been to 3 different pain mgmt doctors in the last 3 years, and have had epidural steroid injections, SI joint injections, and RFA's. My current pain mgmt doc started me on 5/325, then 7.5/325, and finally on a 10/325 hydrocodone dose, which I'm currently on. I mentioned to a pain mgmt doctor friend of mine about the hydrocodone barely touching my pain, and he suggested trying Oxycodone or maybe ultimately, a fentanyl patch. So no, I'm not making up my own answers. I've been researching this for the last 4 years and was hoping for feedback from someone who had already made this switch.

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@phxratt1

Thanks... I have done that process of keeping a daily pain journal, which meds I'm taking at that time, and what my pain level is each day. I have been to 3 different pain mgmt doctors in the last 3 years, and have had epidural steroid injections, SI joint injections, and RFA's. My current pain mgmt doc started me on 5/325, then 7.5/325, and finally on a 10/325 hydrocodone dose, which I'm currently on. I mentioned to a pain mgmt doctor friend of mine about the hydrocodone barely touching my pain, and he suggested trying Oxycodone or maybe ultimately, a fentanyl patch. So no, I'm not making up my own answers. I've been researching this for the last 4 years and was hoping for feedback from someone who had already made this switch.

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Btw, I already know the answer to your question of "why do I still have pain after my back surgery?". As a matter of fact, that is kind of a naive question to ask. It's because after having 3 successive lumbar surgeries, your chances of success drop from 90, then 50, down to 30%. You are then put in the category of what used to be called FBSS - failed back surgery syndrome. The updated term is PSPS - persistent spinal pain syndrome. I am clearly in that category. If I have a 4th surgery, my chances of it being successful are only 5-15%, but unfortunately, the neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons rarely tell you about these statistics. I'm now left with either finding an opiod that suits me better, or maybe trying an SCS... which after trying a DRG stimulator, I don't hold out a lot of hope for.

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@phxratt1

Btw, I already know the answer to your question of "why do I still have pain after my back surgery?". As a matter of fact, that is kind of a naive question to ask. It's because after having 3 successive lumbar surgeries, your chances of success drop from 90, then 50, down to 30%. You are then put in the category of what used to be called FBSS - failed back surgery syndrome. The updated term is PSPS - persistent spinal pain syndrome. I am clearly in that category. If I have a 4th surgery, my chances of it being successful are only 5-15%, but unfortunately, the neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons rarely tell you about these statistics. I'm now left with either finding an opiod that suits me better, or maybe trying an SCS... which after trying a DRG stimulator, I don't hold out a lot of hope for.

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I‘m glad you replied, because the last thing I want to be is judgmental or arrogant. I had 3 back operations, numerous injection, imaging etc, back in the 1970‘s what I ended up with was adhesive arachnoiditis, which is scarring in the sub-arachnoid layer around our nerves and causes constant, intractable pain. It is a life sentence and my burden to bear. It can be seen on an MRI but you need an expert because the incidence is so low. My hope is that they had considered this as a differential diagnosis and dismissed it. Oral opioids are a shortterm solution. I was fortunate to have a pain mgt guy in 2007 who saw me as a candidate for a pain pump and changed my life. My only reason for writing is the hope that you can find relief and get your life back. Best, Archie

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