I know what you're talking about. The surgeons say... ""yes, have the surgery, it will fix the cause of your pain." Then after the surgery, you still have pain, and they say... hmmm... we'll, your post-op MRI looks fine, I don't know why your back hurts. They should tell patients the statistics on lumbar surgeries: 50% success rate 1st surgery, 30% 2nd surgery, then 15%, and only 5% on 4th lumbar surgery. Not a great batting average.