VIBRATION PLATES- Power Plates

I’ve been using the Power Plate Move for about four months now. Will not know if it’s helping until I get another scan. I do like it though, regardless. I do squats on it, small weight exercises, push-ups and planks. I think the company makes a lot of claims that I haven’t seen hard data on, but I do like it as just one more tool in keeping fit, building muscle and perhaps it may help with osteoporosis. It is also good for working out muscle aches. You can use the top rubber mat against the side of it while leaning your back against it. Helped me with muscle spasms in my back.

@lhankins thanks for the input. Man, they have an aggressive marketing campaign for sure. The biggest problem is that there isnt any evidence based science to back up the bone density benefit, although, I have had several people mention the same benefits that you have stated. I like the idea of helping muscle aches.
It is easy to see how it would be a great tool to increase blood flow, stability and balance and as a result of increased blood flow, quicker muscle recovery.
I think the muddy part would be deciding how much of a contribution it brings to the other bone building attempts we have in place.
Dont know if this is good or not so good but have been looking for a used plate and there just doesnt seem to be any available. Either means people are really really happy with their purchases or there arent as many purchases as Power Plate reports.

It’s definitely an investment; not cheap. With that said maintaining good balance and mobility are paramount in avoiding falls. I use it as a part of my health program. I don’t believe there is one magic thing that can be done to improve bone health or simply maintain it. I would say that I look forward to getting on it everyday and that triggers the impulse to workout, move more and continue to be active. It’s definitely not a magic bullet. Good luck with your decision and best wishes on your bone health journey!

@psanchez33617,
@lhankins

I have not done any research but but am sure it is possible to find a
vibration plate with similar frequency range, amplitude, as the
more expensive model.

If your goal in buying a vibration plate is to increase
bone density. -
there is a video with Dr Belinda Beck - her study shows no bone density
gain with Marodyne.
However, your choice to buy a vibration plate might be other than bone density,
such as muscle relaxation or other reason.

I am also putting off osteoporis medication. I may or may not ever take them.
The past year I have watched my diet and done exercizes with my physiotherapist.
He is now recommending I go to the gym, and has set me up with exercizes
- in addition to what I do at home -
with careful monitoring from on-site gym trainers.

My gains in a year are as follows: spine 5.6% and hips 6.4%

@psanchez33617 can you share with me which brand and amount of Fortibone
you are taking.
The two brands that are on my possible list so far: claims to contain type 1 Fortibone,
no added vitamins, herbs or other supplement.
I would track how effective it is, by making no other dietary change.
The only other lifestyle change would be upping my exercize program.

Am interested in learning more and eventually taking K2 M7:
Sources seem to be - Natto consumption - or supplements that contain natto -
your own gut microbiome -
certain foods with M7 (aged cheeses, and more)
Margaret Martin has articles on it.
Consumer Lab writes up about it.
One large favorable study done in 2022: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9237441/#s8
at bottom of study:
this work was funded by Synergia Life Sciences Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai, India.
In addition - some researchers mentioned are
" employees of Viridis Biopharma Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai, India."
and others are employees of Synergia Life Sciences Pvt. Ltd.,

Studies on supplements and vitamins to a large part are funded by
vested interested pharmaceutical companies.
It is so difficult to get an unbiased opinion.
The motivation is pure profits,
Results, shown us, can be skewed.
It is so disappointing and frustrating, to figure out what to do,
what to take.
Even having a dietitian would not help much, as they would answer,
as they have to me, inconclusive.

So, fellow seekers, factual and appropriate information for
each one of us is a rocky road.

I'd like to mention an interview I saw with Dr. Avorn about a
book he's just published: called Rethinking Medications.
In the interview, he mentioned how practically all studies are
funded by pharmaceuticals, and that the FDA is badly funded
and is not doing its job of reviewing studies, but
accepts whatever the studies summarizes.
I am looking to read this book from my local library.

@bevlevvancouverbc
@thankins
Our medical system is very frustrating. When I was growing up, functional medicine was not a thing, it was THE thing. Drugs were not handed out like candy, granted, knowledge was much more limited but doctors were not eager to get you out the door with meds so that they could get on to the next patient. To the credit of today's physician, there are lots of folks that just want a pill that will fix whatever the problem may or could be.
With this said, being diagnosed at 39 with osteopenia was concerning, but even then, I was hesitant about drugs. Back then, they didnt understand or know their side effects. I am glad that I made that decision now and went from 39 into my 60's with minimal bone loss by being a gym rat and eating what I thought was how I should eat. When I fractured my lower lumbar the first time, I took a serious look at drug therapy but did not get along with anything that the doc gave me. We decided to try Forteo as it is a parathyroid drug that stays in your system for only a short time. That was a complete nightmare. I stopped taking it after 3 months due to a raging reaction that made me look like I fell into a pit full of red ants.
About 6 months prior to Forteo, I found out about Fortibone. My dexi in Feb showed increased bone that is right in line with the studies that I found on Google Scholar. I am now taking Sparkle Wellness's version but plan to switch. I am interested in a recommendation from a guy named Kevin Ellis, who calls himself the Bone Coach kevin.ellis@bonecoach.com. He has an arsenal of bone building amo, one being collagen with fortibone in it. It also has other peptides that support cartilage and muscles and vitamins. I am also looking at algaecal which has collagen with vitamins.
I am finally able to do weight bearing exercises again after fracturing my back 3 times. I am feeling stronger, no longer frail (another reported benefit of fortibone), so I am claiming that as progress.
I think one of you asked how much fortibone? Sparkle has 10mg in a serving.
In regards to the vibration plate, I am liking what I read even if it doesnt build bone. There seems to be a lot of other benefits that win my attention. I just dont know if I am ready for the necessary investment.

@psanchez33617
thanks for reply

I've heard about Kevin Ellis the Bone Coach and his suggestions
of products.
Why would you switch from Sparkle Wellness if it has given
you great results?
Is it a price consideration, or other reason.

Did you gain bone density from 3 months on Forteo?
or was it the Fortibone..?
Sorry you had such a negative reaction...raging ants sounds
very unpleasant.

Your reasoning for doing vibration is right, if it's right for you.

So far, I am looking at Dr McCormick Collagen because it has only
Fortibone Collagen type 1
There is NBI - new to me, which has Collagen type 1 and 3 -
but it is not Fortibone. (I emailed them to ask)

here is their answer if you are interested in their Collagen product:

"Our collagen contains Types I and III hydrolyzed collagen. We do not use Gelita Fortibone because clinical trials on 10 grams of the generic raw material, which we use, also show improvements in bone mineral density. Dr. Neustadt decided on the generic raw material for a few reasons. First, as I mentioned, the dose of collagen in our product (10 grams per serving) is what has been used in most clinical trials. Second, our hydrolyzed collagen powder has more amino acids in it than Fortibone and is a higher dose.

Our product's dose and types of collagen have been shown to provide additional benefits for skin health. This includes decreasing the appearance of visible lines and wrinkles and improving skin hydration. Dr. Neustadt also found a collagen powder with less than 1% insoluble particles and no flavoring. This means it dissolved in coffee without stirring and can be added to smoothies or other drinks without changing the flavor. Finally, our hydrolyzed collagen can be used in baking."

my comment: I thought the dose used in clinical trial, that I read, was 5 g and not 10 g.
I may be wrong about dosage. Please feel free to correct me.

Great that you are stronger and feeling better with Fortibone.
It is encouraging to me and others to hear that.

About being a gym rat, ...Hooray.
It can become addictive, eventually it becomes enjoyable
and wakes up your endorphins.
My gains also were because of weight/ resistance exercizes.
Farmer Walk is a great exercize for gaining bone density.

@bevlevvancouverbc
I want to switch to something that has more peptides and supporting vitamins all in one. Mostly for convenience. Easier than making an inclusive ritual everyday. I like one and done. Before I discovered Sparkle Wellness, my friend and I had collagen imported because the only place we could find it was in Canada.
Hard to say where the bone density came from. Forteo reports bone building as early as 4 months and I barely made 3 so I wont know until my next dexi if I am still making progress which would point to Fortibone for success. As I mentioned, I have gone from feeling frail to almost strong. I also notice that when I get on my inversion table (totally not recommended for osteoporosis but I feel like it corrects my spine (I also have scoliosis) I dont feel any popping or subtle adjustments happening. So, I am going to out on a limb and think there are improvements happening which can only be from the fortibone.
Why would you only consider one collagen peptide vs a collagen with more than one? Type 3 is verisol, I think, but either way, if I understand correctly, the other peptides support tendons and ligaments, and, of course, skin and nails. And, then, there are the vitamins.
At this point, I am not willing to switch to something that doesnt have fortibone in it. The clinical trials are hopeful and so am I but thank you for sharing what you found out about NBI. I will be interested in what you decide.
I have read articles that recommend anywhere from 2.5-15 grams of fortibone but I believe you are correct, the trials that I read used 5 grams. I will go back and verify that. 4 scoops of Sparkle is about 13 grams, I use 3 scoops. I want to say that the trials also found no significant difference with anything higher than 5 grams.

On vibration plates- I found some independent opinions from real people that use vibration plates. They are very much like @thankins mentioned with no reference to whether or not they help build bone. However, all the other reasons are pretty compelling for a purchase so I am leaning toward the investment. For nothing else, I expect lots of sore muscles in my future as I progress into workouts. Getting relief from that, in itself, is beneficial.

@psanchez33617

you say -
" I had collagen imported because the only place we could find it was in Canada."
interesting to me, as I live in Canada..
can you share with me the name of the Collagen available in Canada.

About your mention of Verisol type 3 - the reason I focus on type 1 only
is so that I know what the effect is of that type only, on my bone density,
If, in future , the goal is better skin and nails, type 3 would be the way
to go.
Also as I posted elsewhere, if you are scooping 5 grams or whatever
amount of 'mixed' type 1 and 3, how do you know how much of type 1
or type 3 is in your scoop.
Hope the above question makes sense.